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[just another ref]

1:50 of the second half. Somebody want to tell me he had not "completed the gather" before he lifted the pivot (right foot) and returned it to the floor. 360 spin that starts with one or both feet on the floor, and ends with both feet on the floor 5 feet away. I don't have to see the play. It's impossible to do this without traveling.

[Raymond]

Any worse than the missed travel calls in the Georgia HS video?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Any worse than the missed travel calls in the Georgia HS video?

Worse than some.......as bad as any.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by just another ref

1:50 of the second half. Somebody want to tell me he had not "completed the gather" before he lifted the pivot (right foot) and returned it to the floor. 360 spin that starts with one or both feet on the floor, and ends with both feet on the floor 5 feet away. I don't have to see the play. It's impossible to do this without traveling.

And it gets more common with each passing year. I can't get my partners to call it in HS games…probably because D1 guys let it go on a consistent basis.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

And it gets more common with each passing year. I can't get my partners to call it in HS games…probably because D1 guys let it go on a consistent basis.

This has been a meeting emphasis around here, so it gets called. Every time? No, but it does get called.

[JetMetFan]

Here's the play...

[OKREF]

Travel

What's the odds that one person says it isn't?

[Adam]

Travel

[Raymond]

I call those illegal spin moves travels more than most officials I work with, but I still miss them sometimes. I work both HS and college schedules. So are we going to blame D1 officials for me missing it when I do?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I call those illegal spin moves travels more than most officials I work with, but I still miss them sometimes. I work both HS and college schedules. So are we going to blame D1 officials for me missing it when I do?

No matter who you are, if you missed this play, I blame you. This is easy to see from any angle, from any distance. I knew he was going to travel before he traveled. Somebody find me a couple of spin moves by a player attacking the basket where a travel is correctly called and I'll drop the assertion that they are being deliberately ignored........maybe.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

... Somebody find me a couple of spin moves by a player attacking the basket where a travel is correctly called and I'll drop the assertion that they are being deliberately ignored........maybe.

Does this include HS games where they are missed regularly, but are not replayed on ESPN?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Does this include HS games where they are missed regularly, but are not replayed on ESPN?

Yes, it does. Why wouldn't it? At any level, there is no excuse for the travel in the OP to be missed. Do you disagree with that?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Yes, it does. Why wouldn't it? At any level, there is no excuse for the travel in the OP to be missed. Do you disagree with that?

I believe it was my BV assignor who told us a few years ago that it's extremely difficult for players to do a spin move like this one legally, especially in HS. That doesn't mean I call travels on all of them but at least the antenna are up whenever I see one.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I call those illegal spin moves travels more than most officials I work with, but I still miss them sometimes. I work both HS and college schedules. So are we going to blame D1 officials for me missing it when I do?

Why not? Can you think of a better scapegoat?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

1:50 of the second half. Somebody want to tell me he had not "completed the gather" before he lifted the pivot (right foot) and returned it to the floor. 360 spin that starts with one or both feet on the floor, and ends with both feet on the floor 5 feet away. I don't have to see the play. It's impossible to do this without traveling.

All he had to do was release the pass before the right foot returned to the floor and it would've been perfectly legal. And that's the rub -- you have to know the right's the pivot and have to see it come back to the floor.

I call it when I see it. But I have to know which foot is the pivot foot (as always) and have to see it come back to the floor. I've heard other officials say, "that spin move is a travel 100% of the time, so I just call it" and that's the justification. That's worse than missing the travel, IMO.