Overtime, Or Not ???

[Sunnyboy]

2014-15 Case Bookrule 5.6 Comment B:

"If a technical foul occures after the ball has become dead to end a Quater, the next Quater is started by administering the free throws. . . It also applies when the second half is ended, provided the score is tied. If the score is not tied, the free throws are administered unless the outcome of the game will not be affected. If the outcome is not already decided, the free throws are attempted immediately as if the foul had been part of the fourth quarter . . . . "

Because the ball became dead when the shot scored, and the two points tied the game, the free throws should have started the overtime period.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Sunnyboy

2014-15 Case Book Rule 5.6 Comment B.

Thanks. That's what I thought. The official was probably confusing his case with this:

Originally Posted by Sunnyboy

If the outcome is not already decided, the free throws are attempted immediately as if the foul had been part of the fourth quarter.

Anybody want to comment on this (below)? I believe that the official was confusing his situation with one where players stream onto the court while there is still some time left on the clock, which might interfere with the other team making their throwin.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Official charges Team A with a technical foul for, and not sure here, delay of game, leaving the bench, whatever. The reason for the technical is for another thread (Don't substitutes, and coaches, usually come off the bench at the end of period?).

[Sunnyboy]

Anybody want to comment on this (below)? I believe that the official was confusing his situation with one where players stream onto the court while there is still some time left on the clock, which might interfere with the other team making their throwin.[/QUOTE]

I think it would have been better not to have call a TF in that situation. It seems to me that a buzzer beater to end the game is a good reason for the bench and coach to show a positive emotional response. If the clock had not expired, diffrent story. But if the shot won the game or tied the game, let the kids enjoy the moment.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Thanks. That's what I thought. The official was probably confusing his case with this:



Anybody want to comment on this (below)? I believe that the official was confusing his situation with one where players stream onto the court while there is still some time left on the clock, which might interfere with the other team making their throwin.

what's there to comment on? You don't know if they were right or wrong? I know you do not want us guessing what was in your colleague's head?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Sunnyboy

2014-15 Case Bookrule 5.6 Comment B:

"If a technical foul occures after the ball has become dead to end a Quater, the next Quater is started by administering the free throws. . . It also applies when the second half is ended, provided the score is tied. If the score is not tied, the free throws are administered unless the outcome of the game will not be affected. If the outcome is not already decided, the free throws are attempted immediately as if the foul had been part of the fourth quarter . . . . "

Because the ball became dead when the shot scored, and the two points tied the game, the free throws should have started the overtime period.

Sounds like you're contradicting yourself.

First you say that if a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end the second half the next quarter is started by administering the free throws. Meaning we go to overtime.

Then you said that if the outcome is not already decided, the free throws are attempted immediately as if the foul had been part of the fourth quarter. This would mean the free throws are attempted now, and making one of them means the game is over without overtime being played.

So which is it?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Sounds like you're contradicting yourself.

First you say that if a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end the second half the next quarter is started by administering the free throws. Meaning we go to overtime.

Then you said that if the outcome is not already decided, the free throws are attempted immediately as if the foul had been part of the fourth quarter. This would mean the free throws are attempted now, and making one of them means the game is over without overtime being played.

So which is it?

Read it again. If the score is not tied and the outcome is not decided, you shoot them now as part of the 4th period.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Sounds like you're contradicting yourself.

First you say that if a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end the second half the next quarter is started by administering the free throws. Meaning we go to overtime.

Then you said that if the outcome is not already decided, the free throws are attempted immediately as if the foul had been part of the fourth quarter. This would mean the free throws are attempted now, and making one of them means the game is over without overtime being played.

So which is it?

It's both. A technical foul that occurs after the period is over will always be shot as part of the next period or overtime. The only exception is if there is no way to know whether there will be overtime without the free throws.

The part about "if the outcome will not be affected" refers to the scenario where the T is called against the losing team, or the lead is larger than the number of free throws that would be attempted.

[BryanV21]

Ok. I thought that if the free throws could decided the outcome of the game, they are shot as part of the fourth quarter. But this quote confused me...

If a technical foul occures after the ball has become dead to end a Quater, the next Quater is started by administering the free throws. . . It also applies when the second half is ended, provided the score is tied.

That makes it sound otherwise.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Ok. I thought that if the free throws could decided the outcome of the game, they are shot as part of the fourth quarter. But this quote confused me...

That makes it sound otherwise.

If the game is tied when the fourth quarter ends, then the free throws are shot to begin overtime.

If the game is NOT tied, then if those technical free throws could alter the outcome of the game, they're shot as part of the fourth quarter.

[so cal lurker]

I've always found it an odd quirk of the rules:
*if the game is tied! and I scream at the referee and get a T after the buzzer, I get to play OT; but
*if I'm winning by 1 and get a T after the buzzer, I can lose without Getting to OT.

So far as I know, it is the only scenario in which a team can be at a disadvantage by being ahead.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

I've always found it an odd quirk of the rules:
*if the game is tied! and I scream at the referee and get a T after the buzzer, I get to play OT; but
*if I'm winning by 1 and get a T after the buzzer, I can lose without Getting to OT.

So far as I know, it is the only scenario in which a team can be at a disadvantage by being ahead.

If anybody is dumb enough to get a T after the buzzer having already won the game, it's hard to blame that on a quirk in the rules.