N.C. State/Purdue (Video)

[refinks]

I'm hoping someone can upload the video once the game is over, but at about the 14:30 mark (give or take) of the second half, N.C. State player beaten badly down low. Purdue players goes for lay-up, N.C. state player gives what looked to be a clear 2 hand shove in the back. Officials called the foul, then went to monitor to review it, but stayed with a common foul.

To me, this is about as clear of a flagrant 1 as you can get. Anybody see anything that might have caused the crew to stick with a common foul?

[Raymond]

John Adams just sent out a bulletin criticizing officials for not properly ruling some FF1 & 2 plays.

That said, I have not seen the play in question.

[westneat]

I would also like to see someone comment on the play noted in this article:

ACC Basketball: Strange ruling costs N.C. State a chance to tie Purdue - Fayetteville Observer: ACC Basketball

I don't work NCAA, but it sounds like the rule quoted is meant to apply to loose balls. His teammate is still holding the ball when he comes back in bounds, so he wouldn't be "first to touch".

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by westneat

I would also like to see someone comment on the play noted in this article:

ACC Basketball: Strange ruling costs N.C. State a chance to tie Purdue - Fayetteville Observer: ACC Basketball

I don't work NCAA, but it sounds like the rule quoted is meant to apply to loose balls. His teammate is still holding the ball when he comes back in bounds, so he wouldn't be "first to touch".

That's a pretty basic NCAA rule. If you go OOB of your own volition, you cannot catch the first pass after you return.

Here's the NC State-Clemson video from the article, would you call this?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Here's the NC State-Clemson video from the article, would you call this?
...

Nope, not that one.

[westneat]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That's a pretty basic NCAA rule. If you go OOB of your own volition, you cannot catch the first pass after you return.

Thanks!

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That's a pretty basic NCAA rule. If you go OOB of your own volition, you cannot catch the first pass after you return.

This is a rule differene from fed, isn't it? As I understand NFHS as long as you re-establish in bounds all is good, right?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

This is a rule differene from fed, isn't it? As I understand NFHS as long as you re-establish in bounds all is good, right?

It is different, but your understanding is wrong. In FED, it's a violation as soon as you go OOB -- there's no "reestablishing" at all.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

This is a rule differene from fed, isn't it? As I understand NFHS as long as you re-establish in bounds all is good, right?

At the high school level, once a player goes out of bounds of their own volition, it is an immediate violation.

[westneat]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That's a pretty basic NCAA rule. If you go OOB of your own volition, you cannot catch the first pass after you return.

Hey, so I found a copy of the NCAA rules book. Can you help me find where it says this?

The closest I can find is 9-4-1.

"A player who steps out of bounds under his own volition and then becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court has committed a violation."

But in this case, he's (Player A1 that goes out of bounds) not the first player to touch the ball. His teammate (A2) is still touching the ball and hasn't released a pass, so A2 is the first person to touch the ball after A1 returns from out of bounds. So how can there be a violation?

Is there a case book or AR (whatever the NCAA M version is) for this rule?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by westneat

Hey, so I found a copy of the NCAA rules book. Can you help me find where it says this?

The closest I can find is 9-4-1.

"A player who steps out of bounds under his own volition and then becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court has committed a violation."

But in this case, he's (Player A1 that goes out of bounds) not the first player to touch the ball. His teammate (A2) is still touching the ball and hasn't released a pass, so A2 is the first person to touch the ball after A1 returns from out of bounds. So how can there be a violation?

Is there a case book or AR (whatever the NCAA M version is) for this rule?

The rule book doesn't always say exactly what it means or mean exactly what it says.

Replace "first" with "next", if that helps you.

Here's a play: A2 goes OOB around a screen and returns. A1 passes the ball to A2, but the ball is tipped by B1. The pass still makes its way to A2. Violation?

[Remington]

Originally Posted by westneat

I would also like to see someone comment on the play noted in this article:

ACC Basketball: Strange ruling costs N.C. State a chance to tie Purdue - Fayetteville Observer: ACC Basketball

I don't work NCAA, but it sounds like the rule quoted is meant to apply to loose balls. His teammate is still holding the ball when he comes back in bounds, so he wouldn't be "first to touch".

9-4-1 NCAA-M
Art. 1. A player who steps out of bounds under his own volition and then becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court has committed a violation.

a. A violation has not been committed when a player, who steps out of bounds as permitted by Rule 7-4.6.b, does not receive the pass along the end line from a teammate and is the first to touch the ball after his return to the playing court.

[westneat]

Originally Posted by Remington

9-4-1 NCAA-M
Art. 1. A player who steps out of bounds under his own volition and then becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court has committed a violation.

a. A violation has not been committed when a player, who steps out of bounds as permitted by Rule 7-4.6.b, does not receive the pass along the end line from a teammate and is the first to touch the ball after his return to the playing court.

See my question above. Isn't the player holding the ball first to touch?

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by westneat

See my question above. Isn't the player holding the ball first to touch?

Not according to the interpretation of the rule. The player receiving the pass would be considered the first to touch it.