N.C. State/Purdue (Video)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

John Adams just sent out a bulletin criticizing officials for not properly ruling some FF1 & 2 plays.

That said, I have not seen the play in question.

Ok, seeing the play, I would say this falls under Adams' criticism.

[APG]

Originally Posted by refinks

I'm hoping someone can upload the video once the game is over, but at about the 14:30 mark (give or take) of the second half, N.C. State player beaten badly down low. Purdue players goes for lay-up, N.C. state player gives what looked to be a clear 2 hand shove in the back.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by refinks

I'm hoping someone can upload the video once the game is over, but at about the 14:30 mark (give or take) of the second half, N.C. State player beaten badly down low. Purdue players goes for lay-up, N.C. state player gives what looked to be a clear 2 hand shove in the back. Officials called the foul, then went to monitor to review it, but stayed with a common foul.

To me, this is about as clear of a flagrant 1 as you can get. Anybody see anything that might have caused the crew to stick with a common foul?

Originally Posted by APG

By definition, that is an Intentional/F1 but it is often called an common.

[refinks]

So then I guess I'm missing something, why would an official go common foul on that instead of the correct rule which would be an intentional/F1? To me that is a clear cut and dry textbook intentional/F1 every time, but it sounds like it isn't called that way, I'm just wondering why.

At the level I work, I can guarantee if I didn't call that an intentional foul, I'd be hearing from my assignor and probably losing games.

[JRutledge]

No I would not call this intentional or FF1. This is marginal for those classifications at best.

Peace

[refinks]

JRutledge,

How do you consider this marginal? We have a clear 2 hand shove in the back, and no attempt to play the ball. So I'm curious as to why you consider this to be marginal. To me it's a no-brainer, especially at the high school and lower level.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by refinks

So then I guess I'm missing something, why would an official go common foul on that instead of the correct rule which would be an intentional/F1? To me that is a clear cut and dry textbook intentional/F1 every time, but it sounds like it isn't called that way, I'm just wondering why.

At the level I work, I can guarantee if I didn't call that an intentional foul, I'd be hearing from my assignor and probably losing games.

I can see why the Lead may have called a common foul initially. He had just rotated and may not have had a great angle to see the two handed shove, but rather made the call based on the way the shooter was displaced.
The Trail would have a clear view of the shove, but he is already in a full jog the other direction so he's in no position to help out.

I too would have thought that this would be an easy upgrade after replay, but I must not understand the NCAA interpretation.

[Blindolbat]

No-brainer intentional for me.