Illegal Undershirts Prior to Start of Game

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'm not suspending anything. The rule *allows* a change in starter for an illegal shirt -- it does NOT forbid me from giving 30 seconds to a minute for a player to change the shirt.

It would take longer to explain the rule to the coach and require new starters and get them properly marked in the book for me to let the kid(s) change out of the illegal shirts.

Sometimes it's better for you and for the game to put a little oil on that wheel.

I'm all for tactful application of petroleum product to expedite the process and get on to all the non-fashion police aspects of the game.
I'm also aware that there are two specific coaches in our area, each adept at the rules, who would make this an issue if we granted the leeway I'd probably otherwise give with other coaches who could care less.
Therefore I'd hesitate to make a blanket policy to cover my setting aside a rule. Sometimes? Perhaps. Always? Um, no.
And no, I don't tend to be an O.O.O. Just hate it for the phone to ring and it being my assigner on the other end. Cuz his first question is gonna be, "Can I support your decision by rule?"
Then again, not such a big deal, cuz we'll probably catch it during warmups anyway.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Just hate it for the phone to ring and it being my assigner on the other end. Cuz his first question is gonna be, "Can I support your decision by rule?"

Do we have the same assigner?

[bainsey]

And, sure enough, guess what happened today?

Blue team had one starter wear a black t-shirt. Told to the coach to put in another starter while he went to the locker room to change. Made the change in the book, no penalty.

This forum follows you, I swear!

[JetMetFan]

Had it happen once, three years ago in a BV game. Home team's starting PG had a maroon long sleeved shirt under his white jersey. Told HC the kid couldn't play with the shirt on (didn't see it until we were getting ready for the jump-ball because of the warm-up jersey). Kid starts to take off the jersey at the bench. I tell the HC he can't do that or else it's a T. I tell HC give me a sub and tell the kid to go change in the hallway.

The most annoying part about the scenario was my partner thought the maroon shirt was okay since it was one of the colors in the home team's jersey. Sigh...

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by egj13

Sure enough if I didn't read this yesterday and then have it happen last night. All of the starters were ok...but about 5 minutes into the 1st Q, A6 comes into the game with a green jersey and black t-shirt. I step in and ask the young man to go take it off...HC says he looked it up before the game and it can be black, white or jersey color...one partner says he isn't sure, R says just leave it alone. There I was on my own little island...SMH

Originally Posted by Freddy

I don't tend to be an O.O.O. Just hate it for the phone to ring and it being my assigner on the other end. Cuz his first question is gonna be, "Can I support your decision by rule?"

And there's the rub. egj13, I feel your pain but if you were 100% sure you were right - and you were - go for it. If the assignor calls and asks - and some might - at least you did your due diligence, especially if the R told you to leave it alone.

BTW, there's an NCAAW coordinator - and, presumably, a crew - who received a call last night from the SRE because officials allowed the following in a D1 game:



The eyes are everywhere.

[Raymond]

For those who do not have the list of acronyms, SRE = secretary rules editor.

[Raymond]

SMFH, y'all are some frickin' jinxes.

First HS assignment of season. BJV/BV DH. I'm R for JV game. Both teams wearing wam up tops for lay up line. As I'm getting ready to administer opening tap, U2 holds me up. 2 home team players are wearing black t-shirts. I send them off to change and they remain starters.

Funny thing is that it turns out the JV coach thought the sleeve rule applied to t-shirt sleeves, not to the actual shooting sleeves.

SMFH, y'all are some frickin' jinxes.

Had a JV/Varsity doubleheader tonight. Corrected undershirts of both Varsity teams. Spotted one on the visitors right before the national anthem; coach said thanks for enforcing what he keeps telling this kid. Spotted one on the home team at the first dead ball, made him leave and change. Later in the first half I was near the visiting coach and said "did you see me make them change too?" Coach replied he wanted my number cuz I was an official who followed the rules.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

SMFH, y'all are some frickin' jinxes.

First HS assignment of season. BJV/BV DH. I'm R for JV game. Both teams wearing wam up tops for lay up line. As I'm getting ready to administer opening tap, U2 holds me up. 2 home team players are wearing black t-shirts. I send them off to change and they remain starters.

Funny thing is that it turns out the JV coach thought the sleeve rule applied to t-shirt sleeves, not to the actual shooting sleeves.

I don't know why they don't just change the undershirt rule to match the arm sleeve rule. I can't see why and black arm sleeve would really be any different than a black t-shirt.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't know why they don't just change the undershirt rule to match the arm sleeve rule. I can't see why and black arm sleeve would really be any different than a black t-shirt.

I agree. I also think that the visiting team should not be allowed to wear white sleeves.

I'd support "if worn, the home team headbands, wristbands, visible undergarments and sleeves must all be white. Those worn by the visiting team must be black or the color of the jersey."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

... "if worn, the home team headbands, wristbands, visible undergarments and sleeves must all be white. Those worn by the visiting team must be black or the color of the jersey."

A Fashion Police rule that I can live with. Rational, and easy to interpret, explain, teach, and follow.

And beige has to go. I'm sure that the color was included in the rule several years ago due to the fact that it was the most common color for prewrap at the time, but now prewrap comes in all the colors of the rainbow, and more. Plus beige is a stupid color, plain, and boring. And how many teams do you see with beige uniforms? Welcome to Millard Fillmore High School, the home of the Beige Drabs. The color beige doesn't belong in basketball, or any other sport.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't know why they don't just change the undershirt rule to match the arm sleeve rule. I can't see why and black arm sleeve would really be any different than a black t-shirt.

I think they should make the sleeve rule match the undershirt rule.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

I think they should make the sleeve rule match the undershirt rule.

Agree.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

I think they should make the sleeve rule match the undershirt rule.

I could go with that too.

However, I think the black/white inclusion would probably never be removed because those are the easiest colors to obtain. Jersey colored sleeves just may not be readily available for some colors.