Illegal Undershirts Prior to Start of Game

[acgod24]

Had this situation come up and wanted to get opinions.

Prior to the game, Team A had been practicing with their warmup shirts on. During the captains meeting, Team A coach is asked if team is properly equipped and of course he says yes. Starting lineups are announced and kids still have warmups on. They shed the warmups to come out for the tip and 3 kids have illegal undershirts...black undershirts with white jerseys.

Now obviously the kids can't play with them and by rule they can't take them off at the bench. They need to go back to the locker room and change. Now, by rule, the coach can't send 3 other players in to start the game otherwise it would be an admin tech for changing the starters. Is it acceptable to hold the game to let them change or is a DOG warranted here? Couldn't find this in the case book but would like a specific rule reference if possible.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by acgod24

Had this situation come up and wanted to get opinions.

Prior to the game, Team A had been practicing with their warmup shirts on. During the captains meeting, Team A coach is asked if team is properly equipped and of course he says yes. ...

For those who ask, what happens when a coach says "no"?

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

For those who ask, what happens when a coach says "no"?

Inform the coach those players will not be allowed to participate until they are legally equipped.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by acgod24

Had this situation come up and wanted to get opinions.

Prior to the game, Team A had been practicing with their warmup shirts on. During the captains meeting, Team A coach is asked if team is properly equipped and of course he says yes. Starting lineups are announced and kids still have warmups on. They shed the warmups to come out for the tip and 3 kids have illegal undershirts...black undershirts with white jerseys.

Now obviously the kids can't play with them and by rule they can't take them off at the bench. They need to go back to the locker room and change. Now, by rule, the coach can't send 3 other players in to start the game otherwise it would be an admin tech for changing the starters. Is it acceptable to hold the game to let them change or is a DOG warranted here? Couldn't find this in the case book but would like a specific rule reference if possible.

Designated starters can be changed for illegal equipment without penalty. rule 3-2-2(a) nfhs. you cannot change designated starter for illegal equipment in NCAA M without penalty. 10-2b

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by acgod24

Had this situation come up and wanted to get opinions.

Prior to the game, Team A had been practicing with their warmup shirts on. During the captains meeting, Team A coach is asked if team is properly equipped and of course he says yes. Starting lineups are announced and kids still have warmups on. They shed the warmups to come out for the tip and 3 kids have illegal undershirts...black undershirts with white jerseys.

Now obviously the kids can't play with them and by rule they can't take them off at the bench. They need to go back to the locker room and change. Now, by rule, the coach can't send 3 other players in to start the game otherwise it would be an admin tech for changing the starters. Is it acceptable to hold the game to let them change or is a DOG warranted here? Couldn't find this in the case book but would like a specific rule reference if possible.

Or ...

3-2-2
ART. 2

After the 10-minute time limit specified in Article 1, a team is charged with a maximum of one technical foul regardless of how many infractions of the following are committed (see 10-1-2 Penalty):

a. Changing a designated starter, unless necessitated by illness, injury, illegal equipment or apparel, etc., or to attempt a technical-foul free throw.

[Rich]

I'd let them fix it and wait a minute or two.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'd let them fix it and wait a minute or two.

Glad I'm not the only one.

[DRJ1960]

Originally Posted by Adam

Glad I'm not the only one.

Me too

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

Glad I'm not the only one.

It's a pretty basic, obvious rule. undershirts have to match. in a high school game i tell them to give me 3 other starters. It's just another call. waiting for them to run to the locker room and change etc. rewards them. i don't think i'm nitpicking when they can't get an obvious rule straight. i let them play for a minute without their starters. they will probably figure it out/take it serious the next game…
a grade school game i can see waiting…

[BryanV21]

Why cause a problem? Just let them change their shirts and delay the game a couple of minutes. I understand not wanting to hold the game up for it, but I don't see the big deal.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'd let them fix it and wait a minute or two.

Exactly what we did last night...took the starter about 30 seconds to run out into the hall and get that t-shirt off and get back onto the court.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

Or ...

3-2-2
ART. 2

After the 10-minute time limit specified in Article 1, a team is charged with a maximum of one technical foul regardless of how many infractions of the following are committed (see 10-1-2 Penalty):

a. Changing a designated starter, unless necessitated by illness, injury, illegal equipment or apparel, etc., or to attempt a technical-foul free throw.

I am going by the NFHS Rules. I am going to inform the HC that he needs to replace three of his starters and then have the Timer start a 20 second count down for a substitute with the warning buzzer after 5 seconds.

MTD, Sr.