Difficult partners (long post... Sorry)

[Smitty]

I'd prefer to hear the other side of the story before giving this guy the benefit of the doubt. Maybe the R was a jerk. I've had different partners who suggested not calling it automatically. I do anyway. The fact that the OP said the R called him out for ticky tack "and ones" is curious - especially since he claims he didn't call any at all. Something doesn't add up.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I'd prefer to hear the other side of the story before giving this guy the benefit of the doubt. Maybe the R was a jerk. I've had different partners who suggested not calling it automatically. I do anyway. The fact that the OP said the R called him out for ticky tack "and ones" is curious - especially since he claims he didn't call any at all. Something doesn't add up.

Well, he's not a newbie -- he's been a member here for 10 years.

Ticky-tack "and ones" have nothing to do with the new rule, anyway. I'm not sure why that was brought up. And there are a lot of ticky-tack "and ones" in my opinion, but that's a whole 'nother thread.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I'd prefer to hear the other side of the story before giving this guy the benefit of the doubt. Maybe the R was a jerk. I've had different partners who suggested not calling it automatically. I do anyway. The fact that the OP said the R called him out for ticky tack "and ones" is curious - especially since he claims he didn't call any at all. Something doesn't add up.

So let's say you could hear the other side of the story...what then? This guy is automatically dismissed? That makes lots of sense.

For Texref - the best way I have found to deal with these types of situations/partners is to acknowledge them on the court with a simple "OK. Got it partner" and then walk away. In the locker room you can have a discussion with them, generally fueled by asking questions. "Partner, I am really confused about..." or "Partner, I didn't really understand xyz. Could you explain that to me?"

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So let's say you could hear the other side of the story...what then? This guy is automatically dismissed? That makes lots of sense.

I don't know. That's kind of the point of hearing the other side - to make a more educated judgment.

I just happen to find these types of posts kind of silly. And I work in Texas where I know how these kinds of things go from being in locker rooms during tourney time. I'm pretty sure he doesn't work in my chapter, though, because he would be smart enough to take it to the assignor if he did.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I don't know. That's kind of the point of hearing the other side - to make a more educated judgment.

Roll your eyes all you want... insisting on hearing both sides of the story before making any comment at all would render this forum (heck ... almost ANY forum) useless. Yeah, it'd be great to hear the other side. But it shouldn't be REQUIRED to hear both sides on a forum such as this - else we'll pretty much be stuck having no conversation at all.

Roll Eyes.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Roll your eyes all you want... insisting on hearing both sides of the story before making any comment at all would render this forum (heck ... almost ANY forum) useless. Yeah, it'd be great to hear the other side. But it shouldn't be REQUIRED to hear both sides on a forum such as this - else we'll pretty much be stuck having no conversation at all.

Roll Eyes.

Pissing and moaning about partners is great fun - especially when you do it anonymously in a public forum. I'm not saying anything is required - you're being silly now. I'm just saying that I have doubts about what really went down based on the way the OP was presented. And if people didn't debate on Forums, that wouldn't be much fun either, would it?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Pissing and moaning about partners is great fun - especially when you do it anonymously in a public forum. I'm not saying anything is required - you're being silly now. I'm just saying that I have doubts about what really went down based on the way the OP was presented. And if people didn't debate on Forums, that wouldn't be much fun either, would it?

It may have not gone down exactly like that, but elements of it ring very true. One of my commissioners has already sent out an email about veterans who insist they are not going to change how they call it.

[Raymond]

I semi-mentor someone who works is in an association for which I have I no respect. I tell him that he cannot worry about what his various partners are doing, and that he cannot allow himself to adjust to their less than learned philosophies of officiating. Do what you know is right, and keep conversation to a minimum when it is clear they have no interest in intellectual and/or candid discussions on officiating.

You can search my 9000+ posts, and with the possible exception of one correctable error situation I had years ago, you won't find me concerned with what my partners were or were not doing.

[DRJ1960]

[QUOTE=BadNewsRef;945300]I semi-mentor someone who works is in an association for which I have I no respect. I tell him that he cannot worry about what his various partners are doing, and that he cannot allow himself to adjust to their less than learned philosophies of officiating. Do what you know is right, and keep conversation to a minimum when it is clear they have no interest in intellectual and/or candid discussions on officiating.

The problem (if you choose to stay in that Association for what you believe are valid reasons) is that your partners do have an impact on how you are perceived and or evaluated... I also suspect that it has a (perhaps unconscious) effect on your officiating.

[Texref]

Someone piss in your wheaties this morning Smitty?? I asked a question about to handle the situation better next time. This forum is to help us get better at this avocation is it not? I wasn't pissing and moaning about my partners, rather asking how to handle the situation better next time. The story is my side of the weekend and as has been pointed out, they may very well be doing the same thing elsewhere that I'm doing here. No sure why you are attacking me for asking a question?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I semi-mentor someone who works is in an association for which I have I no respect. I tell him that he cannot worry about what his various partners are doing, and that he cannot allow himself to adjust to their less than learned philosophies of officiating. Do what you know is right, and keep conversation to a minimum when it is clear they have no interest in intellectual and/or candid discussions on officiating.

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

The problem (if you choose to stay in that Association for what you believe are valid reasons) is that your partners do have an impact on how you are perceived and or evaluated... I also suspect that it has a (perhaps unconscious) effect on your officiating.

80% of his partners are horrible. They have no interest in getting better, no interest in discussing plays, no interest in any to do with officiating beyond getting their pay checks. He doesn't have the flexibility to travel an hour out of town to work like I do.

But he's been to the State Tourney Eval Camp and has been selected to work the state tournament. If he focused on what his various partners are doing it would hold back his development.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I don't know. That's kind of the point of hearing the other side - to make a more educated judgment.

I just happen to find these types of posts kind of silly. And I work in Texas where I know how these kinds of things go from being in locker rooms during tourney time. I'm pretty sure he doesn't work in my chapter, though, because he would be smart enough to take it to the assignor if he did.

You need to make an educated judgement on a guy asking for ways to deal with difficult partners??? Who cares if it went exactly as he said or not - he was asking for advice on how to handle things better.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I'd prefer to hear the other side of the story before giving this guy the benefit of the doubt.

A) Not likely to hear the other side... and B) giving the benefit of the doubt here is appropriate in that he's been here forever and has proven himself to not be a knucklehead already.