Alley Oop & Rim Grab (video)

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BigCat

what are you going to do? assume there's a danger still because player is present under him. does the offensive player have to stop competing while he is holding the rim to prevent possible injury…

Grabbing the rim to gain an advantage is the T. Did he gain an advantage?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Grabbing the rim to gain an advantage is the T. Did he gain an advantage?

Is an actual advantage required to be in violation of the rule?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

Is an actual advantage required to be in violation of the rule?

No. It is the attempt to gain and advantage that is the infraction.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

Is an actual advantage required to be in violation of the rule?

one part of the rule says may not "grasp" or grab basket. except to prevent injury. just below another section says you can't place a hand on the backboard or ring to gain an advantage.

[JRutledge]

I think you could make a case that he is grabbing the rim not to go flying and get hurt. But if he tries to grab the ball and grabbing the rim at the same time, you could make a case this is a T. The question I have is does he really even make a play on the ball. He might have tried to do just that, but I would not likely make this call without some clear evidence he actually made a play on the ball.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think you could make a case that he is grabbing the rim not to go flying and get hurt. But if he tries to grab the ball and grabbing the rim at the same time, you could make a case this is a T. The question I have is does he really even make a play on the ball. He might have tried to do just that, but I would not likely make this call without some clear evidence he actually made a play on the ball.

Peace

Plus, sometimes no whistle and continued action is not the worst result.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Plus, sometimes no whistle and continued action is not the worst result.

Agreed.

I know I had two of these plays take place last year where the ball was grabbed as well and I called a T in both cases. This looks more like a "miss" attempt and there was a player under him on some level.

Peace

[BryanV21]

While a tech on that player may not be in play, what about a tech on the team or coach for taking advantage of the situation?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Grabbing the rim to gain an advantage is the T. Did he gain an advantage?

He didn't "grab it to gain an advantage." he grabbed it to "prevent injury." while grabbing to prevent injury he also caught a pass…
with one hand. I'm not sure that's an advantage…better using two hands and have better balance etc…

the play i describe is extreme but the play in the video made me think…(which is always dangerous.).. what if the player kept going under him and hit his legs, he grabs rim for safety and the ball is right there. just like it was in the video. he grabs it, the ball out of reflex etc. are you going to whack him for it...