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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:13am
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Alley Oop & Rim Grab (video)

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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:36am
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From the angle shown, it appears as though the ring was grabbed with the right hand before the ball arrived. I can see a "T".
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:36am
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No, technical on player for hanging on rim to gain an advantage.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:08am
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Technically we could have a technical for hanging on the rim to gain an advantage once he made a play on the ball. But I'm fine with the no-call.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:18am
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If the fact he grabbed the rim had any bearing on what happened during or afterwards, then I'd be on the side of t-ing him up. But since nothing happened I'm cool with a no-call.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:49am
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He didn't grab the rim for safety, IMO. It was close, however. I think he grabbed it for an advantage. This could be called a T but it is close.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 12:07pm
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Not for safety. Technical.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:12pm
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I think we can all agree this is not BI or GT as the coach wants.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:15pm
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I'm surprised nobody pointed out the error of my ways...

I shouldn't "no-call" it because of the lack of advantage or effect on the play, as I don't believe the rule takes either into account. The player grabbed the rim illegally, and should be t'd up for it.

If a player on the other team grabbed the rim illegally, but for a bit longer, and got t'd up I could have a bad situation on my hands. Where the coach could get upset because I let a player on the other team get away with it, and an explanation of "well you're guy grabbed it longer" will not fly at all.

I tech should be called.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:03pm
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i think it is close just because that other player is backing in. i can't tell how close he actually got. I'm ok with a T and be ok without one.

let me ask you this… suppose the player is close, say under him. he grabs the rim with right hand because of that and holds on. the pass is wide left so he catches ball with his left hand. defense still under him. flips it with his left hand up toward basket and before ball enters cylinder lets go of the rim. ball goes in.

what are you going to do? assume there's a danger still because player is present under him. does the offensive player have to stop competing while he is holding the rim to prevent possible injury…
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:24pm
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what are you going to do? assume there's a danger still because player is present under him. does the offensive player have to stop competing while he is holding the rim to prevent possible injury…
Grabbing the rim to gain an advantage is the T. Did he gain an advantage?
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:34pm
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Grabbing the rim to gain an advantage is the T. Did he gain an advantage?
Is an actual advantage required to be in violation of the rule?
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:42pm
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Grabbing the rim to gain an advantage is the T. Did he gain an advantage?
He didn't "grab it to gain an advantage." he grabbed it to "prevent injury." while grabbing to prevent injury he also caught a pass…
with one hand. I'm not sure that's an advantage…better using two hands and have better balance etc…

the play i describe is extreme but the play in the video made me think…(which is always dangerous.).. what if the player kept going under him and hit his legs, he grabs rim for safety and the ball is right there. just like it was in the video. he grabs it, the ball out of reflex etc. are you going to whack him for it...

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Is an actual advantage required to be in violation of the rule?
No. It is the attempt to gain and advantage that is the infraction.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:50pm
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Is an actual advantage required to be in violation of the rule?
one part of the rule says may not "grasp" or grab basket. except to prevent injury. just below another section says you can't place a hand on the backboard or ring to gain an advantage.

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