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Old Wed Nov 19, 2014, 06:11pm
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Our Association has been instructed by the schools not to send female officials to do boys varsity contests. (Yes, males are allowed to work girls games).

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Tell the schools to take a hike and welcome them to 1992.

If you want to have some real fun, have one of the female officials in your association contact an attorney. I'll bet the attorney would take this one for free, and it would be a very quick return.

There are so many options here.
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Old Wed Nov 19, 2014, 07:14pm
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Contact your local chapter of the ACLU. They'll love to take on this fight for you and probably at no charge.
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Old Wed Nov 19, 2014, 07:30pm
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All I can say is that it is very uncommon that any female works a boys basketball game at the varsity level. But on the flip side women get a lot of great opportunities and girls or NCAAW basketball usually faster than men at the same level of experience or opportunities. And it is not uncommon either that anyone that works a lot of girls do not get a lot of boys opportunities either in the regular season or post season. So I guess it would be hard here to complain of who you send to a game.

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Old Thu Nov 20, 2014, 08:26am
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All I can say is that it is very uncommon that any female works a boys basketball game at the varsity level. But on the flip side women get a lot of great opportunities and girls or NCAAW basketball usually faster than men at the same level of experience or opportunities. And it is not uncommon either that anyone that works a lot of girls do not get a lot of boys opportunities either in the regular season or post season. So I guess it would be hard here to complain of who you send to a game.

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I would not hesitate to assign women to a game. And a coach telling me this would get a response of "are you serious?" followed by a crew of three women.

And yes, I assign varsity basketball for 20 schools. With women on staff that work boys games.
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Old Thu Nov 20, 2014, 09:40am
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If women are good enough to work in the NBA and college football, they're good enough to work high school basketball games.
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Old Thu Nov 20, 2014, 11:19am
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Old Thu Nov 20, 2014, 11:47am
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I would not hesitate to assign women to a game. And a coach telling me this would get a response of "are you serious?" followed by a crew of three women.

And yes, I assign varsity basketball for 20 schools. With women on staff that work boys games.
And that is fine and how it should be, but because of how many women get college opportunties, it is really a matter of availablity as anything. I just spoke with one of my female officiating friends and she could give a darn about HS games. And when she does work, she almost does not know the diffferences. As you have seen here, those that work Women's college basketball often think highly of their level and seem to think everything is done correctly at that level. So if those do not make themselves available. And when the check is greater and the opportunity is more realistic, at least here they do not stick around to work those levels very long. But I would work with a good woman official over a bad male official any day. And I also think many of them do not want the hassel of what it can bring either. And yes, it would be somewhat of a hassel for them if they are already coming into a situation with those attitudes of females working those games.

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Old Thu Nov 20, 2014, 12:07pm
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One thing: In Virginia if these are private schools, there is nothing the state body (VHSL) can do.
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Old Mon Nov 24, 2014, 05:11pm
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One thing: In Virginia if these are private schools, there is nothing the state body (VHSL) can do.
The NCHSAA would not have any jurisdiction either.

However, there is no requirement that an NCHSAA regional supervisor (assignor) has to assign private schools while those same private schools are instructed that they have to use NCHSAA officials.

Advantage: Officials and supervisor
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Old Thu Nov 20, 2014, 03:00pm
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And that is fine and how it should be, but because of how many women get college opportunties, it is really a matter of availablity as anything. I just spoke with one of my female officiating friends and she could give a darn about HS games. And when she does work, she almost does not know the diffferences. As you have seen here, those that work Women's college basketball often think highly of their level and seem to think everything is done correctly at that level. So if those do not make themselves available. And when the check is greater and the opportunity is more realistic, at least here they do not stick around to work those levels very long. But I would work with a good woman official over a bad male official any day. And I also think many of them do not want the hassel of what it can bring either. And yes, it would be somewhat of a hassel for them if they are already coming into a situation with those attitudes of females working those games.
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Old Thu Nov 20, 2014, 03:22pm
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I highlighted the irrelevant parts.
That is not irrelevant. It is a real issue. Because around here, it would be hard to find 3 female officials that are available to work many HS games.

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Old Thu Nov 20, 2014, 03:32pm
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IMHO, it doesn't really matter if your association (or mine, or anyone's) has 3 female officials available to work a particular game in a particular place on a particular night.

What matters is the fact that one or more schools (or individual administrators in those schools) would even make this request, even "off the record." It's 2014, not 1914...
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