Gender Wars....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Our Association has been instructed by the schools not to send female officials to do boys varsity contests. (Yes, males are allowed to work girls games).

Discuss....

Tell the schools to take a hike and welcome them to 1992.

If you want to have some real fun, have one of the female officials in your association contact an attorney. I'll bet the attorney would take this one for free, and it would be a very quick return.

There are so many options here.

[Mark Padgett]

Contact your local chapter of the ACLU. They'll love to take on this fight for you and probably at no charge.

[JRutledge]

All I can say is that it is very uncommon that any female works a boys basketball game at the varsity level. But on the flip side women get a lot of great opportunities and girls or NCAAW basketball usually faster than men at the same level of experience or opportunities. And it is not uncommon either that anyone that works a lot of girls do not get a lot of boys opportunities either in the regular season or post season. So I guess it would be hard here to complain of who you send to a game.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

All I can say is that it is very uncommon that any female works a boys basketball game at the varsity level. But on the flip side women get a lot of great opportunities and girls or NCAAW basketball usually faster than men at the same level of experience or opportunities. And it is not uncommon either that anyone that works a lot of girls do not get a lot of boys opportunities either in the regular season or post season. So I guess it would be hard here to complain of who you send to a game.

Peace

I would not hesitate to assign women to a game. And a coach telling me this would get a response of "are you serious?" followed by a crew of three women.

And yes, I assign varsity basketball for 20 schools. With women on staff that work boys games.

[zm1283]

If women are good enough to work in the NBA and college football, they're good enough to work high school basketball games.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I would not hesitate to assign women to a game. And a coach telling me this would get a response of "are you serious?" followed by a crew of three women.

And yes, I assign varsity basketball for 20 schools. With women on staff that work boys games.

And that is fine and how it should be, but because of how many women get college opportunties, it is really a matter of availablity as anything. I just spoke with one of my female officiating friends and she could give a darn about HS games. And when she does work, she almost does not know the diffferences. As you have seen here, those that work Women's college basketball often think highly of their level and seem to think everything is done correctly at that level. So if those do not make themselves available. And when the check is greater and the opportunity is more realistic, at least here they do not stick around to work those levels very long. But I would work with a good woman official over a bad male official any day. And I also think many of them do not want the hassel of what it can bring either. And yes, it would be somewhat of a hassel for them if they are already coming into a situation with those attitudes of females working those games.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Our Association has been instructed by the schools not to send female officials to do boys varsity contests. (Yes, males are allowed to work girls games).

Discuss....

Forward that correspondence to Joyce and see how quickly it gets handled.

and if any of those schools make the state quarterfinals, best believe Joyce will send one or two females to their game.

[DRJ1960]

Assuming (I have seen no written documentation from the schools)

[a] the communication was "back channel"... ie nothing written down... and
[b] knowing the implied threat of losing contracts (There is a larger, well respected BB Association in our area who would be glad to replace us).

Would we continue to "poke the bear" and lose our Association or would we knuckle under?

BNR--- These are VHSL schools

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Assuming (I have seen no written documentation from the schools)

[a] the communication was "back channel"... ie nothing written down... and
[b] knowing the implied threat of losing contracts (There is a larger, well respected BB Association in our area who would be glad to replace us).

Would we continue to "poke the bear" and lose our Association or would we knuckle under?

BNR--- These are VHSL schools

Being that I am in the other association, I would hope (and do believe) our leadership has the integrity not to even have that on the table during any negotiation.

[DRJ1960]

BNR, Lcubed48 and any others from your group,

My apologies for any slight of your group. I do not have ANY reason to have anything but respect for what you guys do. It is simply a fact of life for us that you are where our customers go if they become dissatisfied (Ft Lee Christmas tourney, Lawson Classic, for example).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

BNR, Lcubed48 and any others from your group,

My apologies for any slight of your group. I do not have ANY reason to have anything but respect for what you guys do. It is simply a fact of life for us that you are where our customers go if they become dissatisfied (Ft Lee Christmas tourney, Lawson Classic, for example).

Oh, I'm not taking it as a slight, just as a matter of fact.

If I were your association I wouldn't let the schools try to strong-arm you with this tactic.

Believe me, I know all too well what these schools around here are capable of doing/saying "off the record". It's the reason I ref public schools in Richmond instead of my local area.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Assuming (I have seen no written documentation from the schools)

[a] the communication was "back channel"... ie nothing written down... and
[b] knowing the implied threat of losing contracts (There is a larger, well respected BB Association in our area who would be glad to replace us).

Would we continue to "poke the bear" and lose our Association or would we knuckle under?

BNR--- These are VHSL schools

And this is one of many reasons why schools shouldn't have the ability to more or less arbitrarily choose their association. It is basically a conflict of interest. It should be managed by the state or regional organization.

Here, schools are assigned by the state to each organization based on geography. Those on the bordering areas and request for a change but they have to have a good reason. New organizations can and do form but it keeps most of the underhandedness out of it.

If there is a real problem, then the schools can get a change, but they have to justify it.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Our Association has been instructed by the schools not to send female officials to do boys varsity contests. (Yes, males are allowed to work girls games).

Discuss....

All of your schools or just some of them?