Cleveland Cavaliers refuses to respect the National Anthem

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I am not advocating his arrest. He has the "right" to not stand. He does not have the First Amendment protection to intentionally and publicly embarrass his employer without consequences. The NBA and the Cavaliers also have rights.

In addition, The First Amendment does not protect him against breaking the rules of the NBA.

he could tell a referee he thinks he is stupid. Is it illegal? No. Will there be consequences? Of course.

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your perspective, First Amendment protections are limited in private employment settings. Main protection is against government taking action against you for what you say. However, Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act protects "sincerely held" religous beliefs.

Don't know enough about his claim but pretty sure NBA wouldn't want referees making the decision if his belief was sincere or not...thx

[Coach Bill]

Maybe, I'm naive or stupid, but what does the National Anthem have to do with being Muslim? What does it have to do with any religion?

Don't be a plumber.

[Coach Bill]

It sounds fishy to me. I think it was an excuse he used for being late or something else. According to him, he's backing off it, and the media made it up and it had nothing to do with his religion.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Maybe, I'm naive or stupid, but what does the National Anthem have to do with being Muslim? What does it have to do with any religion?

Some religions consider a national anthem as an oath. Some religions believe oaths / anthems should be reserved only for their God.

(Don't shoot the messenger)

[Altor]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Some religions consider a national anthem as an oath. Some religions believe oaths / anthems should be reserved only for their God.

(Don't shoot the messenger)

A few years ago, the Mennonite college near me considered doing away with the National Anthem at their home events for exactly this reason. They still play it, but I hear it was a hot topic on campus for a while.

Occasionally, I'll look around during the anthem at this school and see a few people that don't stand up. Nobody seems to care.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Altor

A few years ago, the Mennonite college near me considered doing away with the National Anthem at their home events for exactly this reason. They still play it, but I hear it was a hot topic on campus for a while.

Occasionally, I'll look around during the anthem at this school and see a few people that don't stand up. Nobody seems to care.

I think it is a silly thing to constantly do at every contest. I get it if we are doing a special event or something to honor troops, but every game to me does not need this display. Not everyone is from this country at games. Not everyone feels the same way. And if we cannot honor the other things surround the country properly like the flag on the field, when to stand at attention when the flag is being walked by an area or other things that show people in this country that claim to be so offended, never do or practice. And I am saying this knowing damn well my father is buried in a Veteran Cemetery for his service in Korea and he always honored the flag as a Veteran when I grew up. I even attended a Military Academy for a year and I learned a lot of things we are supposed to do, we do not even do. I agree, a lot of people do not care.

Peace

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think it is a silly thing to constantly do at every contest. I get it if we are doing a special event or something to honor troops, but every game to me does not need this display. Not everyone is from this country at games. Not everyone feels the same way. And if we cannot honor the other things surround the country properly like the flag on the field, when to stand at attention when the flag is being walked by an area or other things that show people in this country that claim to be so offended, never do or practice. And I am saying this knowing damn well my father is buried in a Veteran Cemetery for his service in Korea and he always honored the flag as a Veteran when I grew up. I even attended a Military Academy for a year and I learned a lot of things we are supposed to do, we do not even do. I agree, a lot of people do not care.

Peace

Silly? There are 168 hours each week. Four minutes is silly? This veteran, son of a three-time wounded WWII veteran, who passed away one month ago today, is of a differing opinion.
I have, several times, accepted the opportunity to sing the National Anthem at basketball games, and have exulted in the feelings that great song evokes in most of the attendees.
And yes, my father and I both gladly served to preserve and protect every person's right/privelege to differ in their opinions of such matters.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Silly? There are 168 hours each week. Four minutes is silly? This veteran, son of a three-time wounded WWII veteran, who passed away one month ago today, is of a differing opinion.
I have, several times, accepted the opportunity to sing the National Anthem at basketball games, and have exulted in the feelings that great song evokes in most of the attendees.
And yes, my father and I both gladly served to preserve and protect every person's right/privelege to differ in their opinions of such matters.

Then why don't people do all the other things that honor the flag or follow protocol? If you do not know those things, then yes it is silly.

There is nothing special about the National Anthem for a sporting contest. We only started this practice in the last 50 years or so. And it was not done at every sporting event until probably the last 30 years.

Again, it is after all my opinion.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Silly? There are 168 hours each week. Four minutes is silly? This veteran, son of a three-time wounded WWII veteran, who passed away one month ago today, is of a differing opinion.
I have, several times, accepted the opportunity to sing the National Anthem at basketball games, and have exulted in the feelings that great song evokes in most of the attendees.
And yes, my father and I both gladly served to preserve and protect every person's right/privelege to differ in their opinions of such matters.

Four minutes would be a funeral dirge.

Any anthem sung played in more than 80 seconds (or sung in more than 90) is horrible.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

... my father and I both gladly served to preserve and protect every person's right/privilege to differ in their opinions of such matters.

Happy Veteran's Day. Thank you for serving.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Maybe, I'm naive or stupid, but what does the National Anthem have to do with being Muslim? What does it have to do with any religion?

Nothing. The story is misreported. Even the reporter has admitted as much.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Nothing. The story is misreported. Even the reporter has admitted as much.

Interesting. Media messing up on crucial facts of a situation? How can that happen.

Peace