National Anthem Standoff

[johnnyg08]

In my email this morning:

National Anthem Standoff:

Any umpire shall eject any player, coach, manager or trainer for violations of the Coaches & Players Code of Ethics, p. 10. Conferences may choose to implement additional penalties (see Appendix D) The UIC is to warn the head coach of the offending team that should any player not return to his dugout area immediately after the playing of the National Anthem, the head coach and player(s) will be ejected immediately.

Here is a video clip that demonstrates what is happening. Head Coaches: this is a violation of NCAAplaying rules and the umpires are to strictly enforce this rule.

COASTAL CAROLINA v. UCONN BASEBALL POST-NATIONAL ANTHEM STANDOFF - YouTube

The video looks staged.

[bob jenkins]

It's not.

[Rich Ives]

So where did the "you first" thing get started?

[CT1]

This video is a couple of years old. Has there been a rash of similar incidents?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by CT1

This video is a couple of years old. Has there been a rash of similar incidents?

Apparently in some of the earliest games this season -- out west was the description in the email I received.

If they're sending out emails (and I received one from the NCAA as well as both my coordinators), it's happening.

[David B]

The things that kids will come up with these days …. sign of the times.
Have to give them an A for creativity.

Thanks
David

[Rufus]

Two thoughts:

1. As a UConn grad that's just embarrassing
2. I've always thought the music of The Red Hot Chili Peppers should be elevated to the status of national anthem. Glad these teams took care of that for me.

[Manny A]

NCAA HQ had to put out an email on this? Seems like a no-brainer to me that the players are doing something unsporting.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Manny A

NCAA HQ had to put out an email on this? Seems like a no-brainer to me that the players are doing something unsporting.

The manner of enforcement needed to be clarified. This is a situation in which there are options all the way from doing nothing to ejecting every swinging Richard.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Matt

The manner of enforcement needed to be clarified. This is a situation in which there are options all the way from doing nothing to ejecting every swinging Richard.

I guess the NCAA assumes its umpires aren't savvy enough to handle the situation then, huh?

If "Hey coach, get them back in the dugout" doesn't work, a quick ejection of the head coach would put an end to these shenanigans. Shame on the umpire who does nothing, and equal shame on the umpire who just runs everybody.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Matt

The manner of enforcement needed to be clarified. This is a situation in which there are options all the way from doing nothing to ejecting every swinging Richard.

Hey, I do *not* swing.

--Richard

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Manny A

NCAA HQ had to put out an email on this? Seems like a no-brainer to me that the players are doing something unsporting.

The NCAA is like my border collie when it sees sheep on one side of a pasture.

To an average person, it appears to be just a flock of grazing sheep, but my dog thinks IT'S A PROBLEM AND IT NEEDS TO BE SOLVED!

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

In my email this morning:

National Anthem Standoff:

Any umpire shall eject any player, coach, manager or trainer for violations of the Coaches & Players Code of Ethics, p. 10. Conferences may choose to implement additional penalties (see Appendix D) The UIC is to warn the head coach of the offending team that should any player not return to his dugout area immediately after the playing of the National Anthem, the head coach and player(s) will be ejected immediately.

You know dam well that had the officials "strictly enforce this rule" for this game, their assignor would be pulling their schedule and the NCAA would be double talking about how we expect the officials to use common sense.

Just another we want our umpires to officiate by the "letter of the law" rule, but if you become to OOO then we are going to nail your arse and not support you officially. And it is really is not worth our time to better define criteria for making your decision but, you better make the right one.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by jicecone

You know dam well that had the officials "strictly enforce this rule" for this game, their assignor would be pulling their schedule and the NCAA would be double talking about how we expect the officials to use common sense.

Just another we want our umpires to officiate by the "letter of the law" rule, but if you become to OOO then we are going to nail your arse and not support you officially. And it is really is not worth our time to better define criteria for making your decision but, you better make the right one.

I'm going to disagree on this one--while there can be a sense of hypocrisy and capriciousness when it comes to the NCAA supporting its officials, I haven't seen it in baseball too much. I know my only (to this point) collegiate EJ was ticky-tack, but I got no push back on using the letter of the law to do it.*

I think that the attitude you have, while understandable, may cause your fears to become self-fulfilling.

*I used 5-16 to eject a player. It was minimal, but it was necessary per monkey theory--there had been numerous close calls I had that had all gone against the same team, and I knew that this particular incident had to result in an example being set. So, I used black-and-white to support gray game management.