Administering FTs after a fight

[bob jenkins]

I was surprised no one commented on this when the interps first came out.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I was surprised no one commented on this when the interps first came out.

I just pretend I'll never have a fight in my games.

[JRutledge]

Nevada, do you think we should give two completely different Ts because of the fact two B players came off the bench?

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Nevada, do you think we should give two completely different Ts because of the fact two B players came off the bench?

I don't understand your question.
The proper ruling is to charge two technical fouls for B6 and B7 coming off the bench. The NFHS ruling says, "B6 and B7 are assessed technical fouls and disqualified for entering the court illegally during a fight."
The penalty for both of these technical fouls is simply only two FTs to the opposing team.

[AKOFL]

I thought the coach got a indirect for every player that came off the bench as well. guess i better look at that again

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

I thought the coach got a indirect for every player that came off the bench as well. guess i better look at that again

NFHS
Coach gets one indirect if one or 5 players come off the bench and don't participate. Each of those players is ejected and the team foul total is increased.

The coach gets an indirect T also for each player that comes off the bench and participates. If 3 come off the bench and fight the coach will be gone.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I don't understand your question.
The proper ruling is to charge two technical fouls for B6 and B7 coming off the bench. The NFHS ruling says, "B6 and B7 are assessed technical fouls and disqualified for entering the court illegally during a fight."
The penalty for both of these technical fouls is simply only two FTs to the opposing team.

It is treated differently if they fight or if they just come off the bench right? This interpretation seems to have a different take than what was previously stated.

Peace

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is treated differently if they fight or if they just come off the bench right? This interpretation seems to have a different take than what was previously stated.

Peace

Fight procedures--When you get a minute take a look at nfhs case book play 10.4.5situation A (c) -- A1 and B1, players on court, punch each other at same time. A6 and A7 leave the bench but don't participate in a fight. B6 and B7 also leave their bench. B6 does NOT Participate but B7 does.

1. Penalize players originally on court first. A1 and B1 ejected, team could total goes up on each side by one. (flagrant Ts) no free throws cause number on court same.

2. Then look at number leaving bench for each side. if the number leaving the bench is the same you will NOT shoot free throws for bench personnel leaving the bench. A6, A7,B6, B7 all given flagrant Ts and ejected. team foul count increases on each side by 2.
Because player left bench for A and did not participate its coach is given an indirect T. Team B coach gets an indirect T because player left bench and didn't fight and also another indirect T for the player who did leave bench and Fight.

3. it would seem that A would get to shoot because a B bench player participated in the fight but that's not what rule says and case book play says.

Another NFHS rule not written clearly….

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Fight procedures--When you get a minute take a look at nfhs case book play 10.4.5situation A (c) -- A1 and B1, players on court, punch each other at same time. A6 and A7 leave the bench but don't participate in a fight. B6 and B7 also leave their bench. B6 does NOT Participate but B7 does.

1. Penalize players originally on court first. A1 and B1 ejected, team could total goes up on each side by one. (flagrant Ts) no free throws cause number on court same.

2. Then look at number leaving bench for each side. if the number leaving the bench is the same you will NOT shoot free throws for bench personnel leaving the bench. A6, A7,B6, B7 all given flagrant Ts and ejected. team foul count increases on each side by 2.
Because player left bench for A and did not participate its coach is given an indirect T. Team B coach gets an indirect T because player left bench and didn't fight and also another indirect T for the player who did leave bench and Fight.

3. it would seem that A would get to shoot because a B bench player participated in the fight but that's not what rule says and case book play says.

Another NFHS rule not written clearly….

There's nothing different about this case play between this year and last year. The last line of the penalty for NFHS 10.4.5 reads:

When a simultaneous technical foul(s) by opponents occurs, the free throws are not awarded when the penalties offset.

The act in 10.4.5 is "(leaving) the confines of the bench during a fight or when a fight may break out," regardless of whether the bench personnel get involved. The penalty is ejection and two FTs for the offended team. That matches up with the rule. The only difference in how it's handled is the effect on the HC. All four players left the confines of the bench so they're all ejected. Each team would be entitled to four FTs regardless of the affect on the HCs so those cancel out.

As far as the OP is concerned, I understand as well. The acts are connected by the same incident but they're still two separate acts.