Bad Partner

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I always welcome constructive and productive criticism.

One crew I work with is accustomed to "Goin' 'Round the Horn" for post-game every game. Official A, then B, then C each offers something -- anything -- a call each made that each might like to either "have back" or review on video. Discussion of each by the group. Then another round where each suggests something he saw of each of the other two that might merit reconsideration or special review on the video. Healthy interchange and enabling introspection always results. And thereby it seems track of improvement is laid. I'm confident this is nothing new to most of you...

Contra . . . Post season partner last year, as I tried to enact the same kinda post-game analysis: "No, we don't do that kinda stuff with our crew. We figure, if a partner called it, he wouldn't have called it if it wasn't correct." Poor guy. Lack of self- and peer-critique showed.

Lack of a good post-game seems closer to the latter than the former.

[Raymond]

Freddy,

APG and I attended a camp run by a very successful NBA official this past off-season. He swears by peer criticism. The camp includes group breakdown of camp games. He would get highly irritated when we would be afraid to candidly assess our fellow officials on tape.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Freddy,

APG and I attended a camp run by a very successful NBA official this past off-season. He swears by peer criticism. The camp includes group breakdown of camp games. He would get highly irritated when we would be afraid to candidly assess our fellow officials on tape.

I really like peer criticism, but it depends on the area and level. I've noticed NBA and NCAA-W officials are quick to offer criticism but among mens college officials where I live the unspoken rule is you don't talk plays. I had to learn that the hard way.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I really like peer criticism, but it depends on the area and level. I've noticed NBA and NCAA-W officials are quick to offer criticism but among mens college officials where I live the unspoken rule is you don't talk plays. I had to learn that the hard way.

You need to get out more.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AremRed

.. where I live the unspoken rule is you don't talk plays.

It was like that thirty years ago, here in my little corner of Connecticut. Back then, discussions between games involving subvarsity, and varsity, officials; or halftime, or postgame, discussions involving partners, never broached topics regarding whether a "call" was good, or bad. It was an "unspoken" rule. Everything else was up for discussion, but never whether a specific call (foul/no foul, travel/no travel, etc.) was right, or wrong.

We have evolved over the last thirty years. It is now acceptable to ask, delicately, "Hey? What did you see on (such and such) play?", and to then discuss the interpretation of the rule on the play, even involving plays like block/charge decisions, such discussions being absolutely verboten thirty short years ago.

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It was like that thirty years ago, here in my little corner of Connecticut. Back then, discussions between games involving subvarsity, and varsity, officials; or halftime, or postgame, discussions involving partners, never broached topics regarding whether a "call" was good, or bad. It was an "unspoken" rule. Everything else was up for discussion, but never whether a specific call (foul/no foul, travel/no travel, etc.) was right, or wrong.

We have evolved over the last thirty years. It is now acceptable to ask, delicately, "Hey? What did you see on (such and such) play?", and to then discuss the interpretation of the rule on the play, even involving plays like block/charge decisions, such discussions being absolutely verboten thirty short years ago.

@ verboten! Lol!
Yet I must confess that I did overturn a crew member's foul call who called in my PCA, and his call was pure wrong then we had a rather heated side discussion at any rate, we can never allow hubris to such an extreme extent as was shown in that vid.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

@ verboten! Lol!

One of my Irish Dad's favorite expressions. He learned this from German prisoners of war as an Army Staff Sergeant fighting his way along the Apennines in Italy during WWII.