Bad Partner

[ballgame99]

Sorry if this had been posted before, but I've been following this forum for a couple years and I've never seen it. If one of these guys is actually a forum member and could provide insight on this, that would just be amazing. I watch a bunch of officiating videos on youtube, but not too many make me say "What the xxxx" out loud. This one did.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Sorry if this had been posted before, but I've been following this forum for a couple years and I've never seen it. If one of these guys is actually a forum member and could provide insight on this, that would just be amazing. I watch a bunch of officiating videos on youtube, but not too many make me say "What the xxxx" out loud. This one did.

It has been posted before. It has been posted a couple of times just this year. And yes there is a person on this forum that was on this game. And we have a similar reaction every single time we see this posted. No harm on your part.

Peace

[Rob1968]

For many of us, here, on the forum, this video was in the back of our mind during the recent thread that discussed when the ball is "at the disposal" of the team.
Early last season, in our area, we received a statement telling us that we needed to start the 5-second count when the ball was "at the disposal" of the probable thrower-in. And we were told not to wait until he/she had the ball in hand, out-of-bounds.
I just couldn't do it - with such disregard for the realities involved, such as in this video, when the 2 players took a short moment to decide which would be the thrower.
I did have a few partners who started the count extremely quickly/early, in my estimation, and I just had to bear with it.
Now, to the actions of the new Lead, in the video . . . I'm really able to be calm, on the floor, but this would have been a supreme test of my self-control, at the moment, and in the lockerroom!!!
I've never blocked a partner, but this guy would've been the first!

[OKREF]

I've never seen this. I really believe I would go to the guy and tell him he has no business calling this, it isn't his responsibility to call this. I would then call both coaches together and tell them we have an inadvertent whistle and continue from there. I would then call my supervisor immediately after the game. There is absolutely no reason for the trail to get involved with this play.

[just another ref]

Forget for a moment about how right or wrong the call may have been. What would it take to make you get involved in the 5 second call from any position other than trail?

I think my partner would have to hit his head and be unconscious first.

So what do you do first then, call 5 seconds or call timeout and seek medical attention for him?

Depends on who the partner is, I guess.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I've never seen this. I really believe I would go to the guy and tell him he has no business calling this, it isn't his responsibility to call this. I would then call both coaches together and tell them we have an inadvertent whistle and continue from there. I would then call my supervisor immediately after the game. There is absolutely no reason for the trail to get involved with this play.

It's easy to say that you would do that when watching a video. But when you're the person having the bus driven over you and then having it backed up and driven over you a second time, well...

Yes, I'm the new trail. I could easily have deleted this thread -- I have the power, you know -- but what purpose would it serve? Besides, every time someone accuses me of being a red ass or a hothead, I can just point to this video to prove that I have restraint even I didn't know that I have.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Rich

It's easy to say that you would do that when watching a video. But when you're the person having the bus driven over you and then having it backed up and driven over you a second time, well...

Yes, I'm the new trail. I could easily have deleted this thread -- I have the power, you know -- but what purpose would it serve? Besides, every time someone accuses me of being a red ass or a hothead, I can just point to this video to prove that I have restraint even I didn't know that I have.

You're right, it is hard to say what someone would do in a certain situation without actually being in it. I was in no way saying you were at fault, or what you did was wrong. Please don't read my post wrong, my whole point was why is the new lead even counting. I actually think you showed incredible restraint, I probably would have lost my mind!

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Rich

Yes, I'm the new trail. I could easily have deleted this thread ...

A tip of the cap to you for allowing this to be re-hashed over and over...also for not strangling "that guy" after the game.

It's actually a great teaching tool.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

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It's actually a great teaching tool.

Years ago I learned my lesson, though my gaffe was not nearly as bad as the OP.

BV, 3-man crew. To set the Crew Chief's mood, earlier in the game our other partner had granted a time-out to the defense during a live ball.

2nd or 3rd quarter. Made free throw, followed by a press, including on-ball pressure on the throw-in. I was the C and had set up slightly below free throw line extended. CC was new Trail with throw-in responsibilities.

A1 runs end line to my half of the court so that he is easily in my line of site. B1 reaches up and touches the ball. I blow my whistle (from the C) to call a T for the throw-in infraction. Trail makes a beeline towards me with fire in his eyes. He does take the time to ask me what my whistle is for, but after my answer and in no uncertain terms he informs me that A1 had reached the ball over the end line. He calls the Lead over and tells us that we are going with an inadvertent whistle, and that we better not f**k his game up (remembering the earlier time-out gaffe).

I had no problem with his demeanor during the event other than the "my game" reference. "This game" would have been more appropriate.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I've never seen this. I really believe I would go to the guy and tell him he has no business calling this, it isn't his responsibility to call this. I would then call both coaches together and tell them we have an inadvertent whistle and continue from there. I would then call my supervisor immediately after the game. There is absolutely no reason for the trail to get involved with this play.

Watch the video again...the new T did go to the partner and try to talk him out of it. Didn't work. And the calling official had already gone to the coach and told him what was being called - so too late to go with the inadvertent whistle explanation. Besides, does it look like the calling official is going to let the new T do anything about this? At that point there was really nothing the new T could do other than put the ball in play...it became a get in, get done, get out type of game for the last few seconds.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The actual details of what was discussed are hidden somewhere in the forum. I can't think of a good keyword to do an effective search for it.

Here is this same play discussed 3 years ago:

Have any of you ever called...

[SE Minnestoa Re]

This is why I like a regular partner. We have an understanding of whose responsibility it is when situations arise and we don't have clusters like this happen.