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Old Thu Oct 09, 2014, 05:13pm
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Player control during throw-in
I see no reason why this matters anyway, but it's a study guide question so it might be a test question. Is there player control during the throw-in? Answer key says no. I say why not? Definition says player control means player holding a live ball?

I'm sure this has been discussed before.
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Old Thu Oct 09, 2014, 05:21pm
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I cant see anything that would disagree with you. Don't see much practicality in the question though if it was on a test?
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Is there player control during the throw-in?
4-12: A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or dribbling
a live ball. There is no player control when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches
the ball prior to the ball touching the floor or a non-jumper, or during an
interrupted dribble.

A team is in control of the ball:
d. When a player of the team has disposal of the ball for a throw-in.

The 2010-11 NFHS Basketball Rulebook states: 4-12: A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or dribbling
a live ball inbounds. The word "inbounds" disappeared in the 2011-12 Rulebook, and has not be seen, or heard from, since then.
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Not sure why they took the word "inbounds" out of the definition. The only thing it may have done was make it a PC foul if they committed a foul (which is hard for them to do). I guess it may have been part of the half-brained attempt at cleaning up the team control mess they made.
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... the half-brained attempt at cleaning up the team control mess they made.
Bingo.
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Old Fri Oct 10, 2014, 08:39am
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In the NFHS "Preseason Guide" handout for this season, there is a small article on Team Control Status During Throw-In. A note in that article states:

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Team control during a throw-in is not intended to be equated to player-control status inbounds, creating team-control status inbounds. During the throw-in 10 seconds, three seconds, frontcourt status, backcourt status, closely guarded, etc., are not factors as there has yet to be player control/team control status obtained inbounds.
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Not sure why they too the work "inbounds" out of the definition.

Had it not been consonants that seem to be at issue, I'd diagnose that your keyboard was suffering from "Irritable Vowel Syndrome."
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In the NFHS "Preseason Guide" handout for this season, there is a small article on Team Control Status During Throw-In. A note in that article states:
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Team control during a throw-in is not intended to be equated to player-control status inbounds, creating team-control status inbounds. During the throw-in 10 seconds, three seconds, frontcourt status, backcourt status, closely guarded, etc., are not factors as there has yet to be player control/team control status obtained inbounds.
They could easily resolve this by fixing the rule, then they wouldn't have to rely on people reading the preseason handouts and previous season rule change notifications.
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Had it not been consonants that seem to be at issue, I'd diagnose that your keyboard was suffering from "Irritable Vowel Syndrome."
LOL (fixed my typos).
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Team control during a throw-in is not intended to be equated to player-control status inbounds, creating team-control status inbounds. During the throw-in 10 seconds, three seconds, frontcourt status, backcourt status, closely guarded, etc., are not factors as there has yet to be player control/team control status obtained inbounds.
How about player control status, or for that matter, team control status, out of bounds?

4-12: A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or dribbling
a live ball.
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They could easily resolve this by fixing the rule, then they wouldn't have to rely on people reading the preseason handouts and previous season rule change notifications.

Sure. I was just trying to help with some context I found in the article.
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How about player control status, or for that matter, team control status, out of bounds?
It seems obvious (to me) that you can derive that from what was stated.
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It seems obvious (to me) that you can derive that from what was stated.
So you would agree that there is player control during the throw-in (as described in the original thread)?
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So you would agree that there is player control during the throw-in (as described in the original thread)?
No I would not agree with that. At all.
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No I would not agree with that. At all.
What's missing?
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