Player control during throw-in

[just another ref]

Louisiana study guide: Team control, but not player control exists during a throw-in.

answer key says false

4-12-1 says A player is in control of the ball when he is holding.....a live ball


What say you?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Louisiana study guide: Team control, but not player control exists during a throw-in.

answer key says false

4-12-1 says A player is in control of the ball when he is holding.....a live ball


What say you?

Disagree with the key. (EDIT...typed agree by mistake)

I think it used to say inbounds. I think they mistakenly deleted it when they adjusted the team control rule.

If there was player control during a throwin, it would have not been necessary to add item "d" a couple years ago to ART. 2 of the control definition as item "a" would have already covered that.

ART. 2 . . . A team is in control of the ball:
a. When a player of the team is in control.
b. While a live ball is being passed among teammates.
c. During an interrupted dribble.
d. When a player of the team has disposal of the ball for a throw-in.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Louisiana study guide: Team control, but not player control exists during a throw-in.

answer key says false

4-12-1 says A player is in control of the ball when he is holding.....a live ball


What say you?

I agree with the answer key. As Camron notes, they removed the word "inbounds" from the wording. I think it was intentional.

A1 is attempting a throw in. B1 is guarding. A1 reaches out and pushes B1 back so A1 has room to complete the pass. Ruling: PC foul (not that it matters whether it's PC or TC in terms of any enforcement)

The "disposal" part is needed in case the official needs to place the ball on the floor.

[Raymond]

I'm listening to bob

[just another ref]

It's hard for me to blame them for getting the answer key wrong when I mistyped the situation here.

The answer key said T. I said F.

I agree with Bob. There is PC now since that word inbounds was removed.
This same question was discussed here a couple of years ago. I was making sure nothing had changed with some new interpretation.

This has also been asked before. In this situation, what possible difference could it make whether there is player control or not?

[BillyMac]

... it's all the accumulated rule changes that have occurred over the years.

Originally Posted by just another ref

There is PC now since that word inbounds was removed.

Thanks for reminding me of the change.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It's hard for me to blame them for getting the answer key wrong when I mistyped the situation here.

The answer key said T. I said F.

I agree with Bob. There is PC now since that word inbounds was removed.
This same question was discussed here a couple of years ago. I was making sure nothing had changed with some new interpretation.

This has also been asked before. In this situation, what possible difference could it make whether there is player control or not?

Well, then I agree with the key. And, since the NFHS provides the key (assuming you're talking about the NFHS test, I'd say that is evidence that they didn't intend to change the definition of player control to apply while a thrower has the ball and that the deletion of the word inbounds is more likely a product of sloppy editing. Usually when they change some fundamental definition like that, the mention the change. I don't think it was mentioned...the word just quietly disappeared.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Well, then I agree with the key. And, since the NFHS provides the key (assuming you're talking about the NFHS test, I'd say that is evidence that they didn't intend to change the definition of player control to apply while a thrower has the ball and that the deletion of the word inbounds is more likely a product of sloppy editing. Usually when they change some fundamental definition like that, the mention the change. I don't think it was mentioned...the word just quietly disappeared.

Why would anyone not agree with the key? 4-12-1

Definition: A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or *dribbling a live ball.

Definition: A team is in control of the ball: d. When a player of the team has disposal of the ball for a throw-in.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Why would anyone not agree with the key? 4-12-1

Definition: A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or *dribbling a live ball.

Definition: A team is in control of the ball: d. When a player of the team has disposal of the ball for a throw-in.

Does PC exist? Yes (according to the current written rule).

Does TC exist? Yes.

So the answer to the question "Team control, but not player control exists during a throw-in" is False.

(Understanding Camron's point that if the old definition of PC exists, the answer would be True.)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Does PC exist? Yes (according to the current written rule).

Does TC exist? Yes.

So the answer to the question "Team control, but not player control exists during a throw-in" is False.

(Understanding Camron's point that if the old definition of PC exists, the answer would be True.)

And either way it goes, I can't think of a situation in which it matters.