Block/PC (video)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

What about the "movement" by the defender? "Movement" is generally thought to involve the feet and the defender didn't create/cause the contact.

I can live with the player control foul, it's a tough bang bang play, but ...

Movement only involves the feet? That's a tough one to swallow.

Does this mean that hip checks, and elbows to the ribs, aren't considered movement if the feet aren't moving?

Was it legal for Moe to poke Curly's eyes because Moe's feet weren't moving?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Movement only involves the feet? That's a tough one to swallow.

No putting words in my mouth . The wording was "generally" not "only." Obviously there are other forms of movement.

[Bad Zebra]

Just getting caught up on this thread...reading through the debate...great analysis on a true 50/50 play...my take is this: If we are still debating after looking at super slow mo and using stacks of definitions, geometry, and rules citations to decide the right call, I can easily live with the call made by the official on the spot in real time. I don't think either side of this debate is absolutely correct.

But this made me spit out my coffee:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Was it legal for Moe to poke Curly's eyes because Moe's feet weren't moving?

Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk. Happy 4th Billy.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk. Happy 4th Billy.

In the spirit of Independence Day, and with the God given right that all red blooded American males above a certain age have to revere the Three Stooges, who can name all six Three Stooges? Yeah, that's right, six (and I'm not talking about the recent 2012 movie). No fair using the internet.

[Rich]

When a call is this close, the official's first reaction is going to be the "right" call. Once in a great while, the call is truly 50/50.

Personally, I would ship a 50/50 call like this every time (I hope). It's hard to play defense. If it's this close, reward the defender.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

When a call is this close, the official's first reaction is going to be the "right" call. Once in a great while, the call is truly 50/50.

Personally, I would ship a 50/50 call like this every time (I hope). It's hard to play defense. If it's this close, reward the defender.

I give the defense the benefit of the doubt almost all of the time when I can. You are working that hard to get in someone's way, you are getting the call. And I believe that most of the time we call these incorrectly anyway on the defense when they do nothing illegal. But as you stated, it is usually not that close.

Peace