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Old Sat Mar 08, 2014, 11:02am
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I know, not the greatest of angles (surprising since this was in an NCAA arena). The first thought that ran through my mind = who should've had first crack at this? There was a secondary defender but C appeared to have a good view of the play.

Note...this is a High School game.


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Old Sat Mar 08, 2014, 11:14am
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I have block.
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Old Sat Mar 08, 2014, 12:15pm
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Lead's call, block.
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Old Sat Mar 08, 2014, 12:49pm
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NCAA-M doesn't matter that C has a good look (unless the lead doesn't have a call). It is a play in the lane, involving a secondary defender, therefore, the L has the first crack. Call should have been a block.
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Old Sat Mar 08, 2014, 01:03pm
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NCAA-M doesn't matter that C has a good look (unless the lead doesn't have a call). It is a play in the lane, involving a secondary defender, therefore, the L has the first crack. Call should have been a block.
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Old Sat Mar 08, 2014, 01:10pm
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NCAA-M doesn't matter that C has a good look (unless the lead doesn't have a call). It is a play in the lane, involving a secondary defender, therefore, the L has the first crack. Call should have been a block.
I don't think this was an NCAA game, just that it was on a college floor. Is your ruling that it was a block based on the defender not having LGP before upward motion (having assumed it was and NCAA-M game) or based on the defender not getting LGP before the shooter left the floor (NFHS, which is what type of game I think this was)?

I've got the defender in the path before the shooter leaves the floor.
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PC for a FIBA or Fed game, block for NCAA-M.
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I have a charge no matter the level. He is in front of him and takes everything in the chest before the upward motion and before the shooter left his feet.

Oh and this is the C's call. It came from his area of the court to the basket.

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Old Sat Mar 08, 2014, 03:49pm
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I agree with Jeff and Camron on the call.

In my world, we give a first crack to the L on this one.
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Old Sat Mar 08, 2014, 04:00pm
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I don't think this was an NCAA game, just that it was on a college floor. Is your ruling that it was a block based on the defender not having LGP before upward motion (having assumed it was and NCAA-M game) or based on the defender not getting LGP before the shooter left the floor (NFHS, which is what type of game I think this was)?

I've got the defender in the path before the shooter leaves the floor.
My bad, I didn't read JetMet's post, just looked at the video and saw the college floor. In NCAA-M I am going with block. I don't think he had LGP before upward motion. In HS I am going charge. He did have LGP before player was airborne.
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Old Sun Mar 09, 2014, 02:24am
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My bad, I didn't read JetMet's post, just looked at the video and saw the college floor. In NCAA-M I am going with block. I don't think he had LGP before upward motion. In HS I am going charge. He did have LGP before player was airborne.
Then we agree. He was still moving sideways into the path after upward motion began (if it had been an NCAA-M game).

I also agree with you that this is the L's call. The C would have had to shift off the double team that the shooter was splitting to pick up the 3rd defender while looking through the shooter and the two defenders that the shooter just split. Could the C get it and get it right? Possibly, even probably if the sight line just happened to open up but he still may not have picked up the 3rd defender early enough to know with certainty whether he was there in time or not.

That defender came from the center of the lane, was still in the lane at contact, and it was the only possible matchup the L could be looking at. The L would have the best knowledge of how the defender got to the spot.
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Old Sun Mar 09, 2014, 09:18am
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Leads call at all levels. Should only be one whistle on the play. C's whistle needs to disappear. Trust your partner. If he doesn't have a whistle, you come in with a secondary cadence.

The secondary defender is the only thing the Lead is looking at.

HS game I got a charge.

With all that said, Lead still needs a fist up in the air here. We can't be quick to send it up north. Lots of C's in the world will immediately signal block or PC because they think it's there call. This has Blarge written all over it, glad the C was disciplined.
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The C was too far out of position to see this play. His high positioning left him straight lined.
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Should only be one whistle on the play. C's whistle needs to disappear.
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NCAA-W it's the C's call. C is in his home position- foul line extended
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