legal move or not?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Does it matter? When is it ever legal to have possession of the ball, jump off 2 feet and land with the ball still in your possession?

Legal? No. Ignored if trifling? Yes.

Do you call traveling in your D1 games when a player does this very scenario when squaring up to shoot?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Legal? No. Ignored i of trifling? Yes.

Do you call traveling in your D1 games when a player does this very scenario when squaring up to shoot?

I don't know what 'ignored if trifling' means.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't know what 'ignored if trifling' means.

Ignored if no advantage.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Ignored if no advantage.

Would you let shooters catch the ball and move their pivot foot wherever they wanted to without dribbling?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Would you let shooters catch the ball and step where ever they want to without dribbling in before shooting the ball?

As Andy Dufresne says: "How can you be so obtuse?"

[APG]

Can't say I've seen players catching the ball with BOTH feet on the floor, then jump and land with the ball at any level with any regularity.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

As Andy Dufresne says: "How can you be so obtuse?"

Were you asking me my ruling on this question?:

Originally Posted by mdray

A1 receives a pass with both feet on the floor, jumps and lands simultaneously on both feet and then releases a shot. Is this a legal move or is it a travel?

One would have to be very obtuse for not knowing the obvious answer.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Legal? No. Ignored if trifling? Yes.

Do you call traveling in your D1 games when a player does this very scenario when squaring up to shoot?

I am certainly not a D1 official and will not speak for what one of them will actually do, but this was addressed by John Adams a few times over the years and he feels it should be called. I have never heard him make the suggestion that it matters if there is an advantage. I would agree with you if it is not obvious or we are splitting hairs, but this is usually pretty obvious to see and should be called IMO.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Legal? No. Ignored if trifling? Yes.

"Trifling" is a soccer officiating term. I've never heard it in basketball.

Pivot foot up + pivot foot down = travel.

[Pantherdreams]

Move as described in OP = travel.

Complicating factors in games.

Player can have two feet on the floor and hop as they complete the initial catch without travelling ie. Determining when control is established.

Player can have one foot on the floor, hop onto two and shoot it without traveling. ie. Determining when control is established and if only 1 foot was on the floor making it a jump stop - but that now cannot pivot.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Player can have one foot on the floor, hop onto two and shoot it without traveling.

I believe that, in the play described above, said player can also legally jump off both feet to shoot the ball. N'est-ce pas?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

"Trifling" is a soccer officiating term. I've never heard it in basketball.

Pivot foot up + pivot foot down = travel.

It is more than a soccer term. It is a social term too.

Peace

Originally Posted by bainsey

"Trifling" is a soccer officiating term. I've never heard it in basketball.

Pivot foot up + pivot foot down = travel.

I guess the basketball equivalent is "incidental".

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I guess the basketball equivalent is "incidental".

I think they're mutually exclusive. "Trifiling" can and usually does involve the severity of contact, but hard contact can be "incidental." I've used "incidental" in soccer without any corrections (though that doesn't mean I'm right), but the only sport I've ever heard "trifling" in was soccer.

Just the same, this isn't even about contact. It's a about travelling, and hopping on two feet is cut and dry.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I guess the basketball equivalent is "incidental".

By rule, there are no incidental violations.