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mdray Mon May 19, 2014 07:28am

legal move or not?
 
A1 receives a pass with both feet on the floor, jumps and lands simultaneously on both feet and then releases a shot. Is this a legal move or is it a travel?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon May 19, 2014 07:41am

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Originally Posted by mdray (Post 934362)
A1 receives a pass with both feet on the floor, jumps and lands simultaneously on both feet and then releases a shot. Is this a legal move or is it a travel?


Traveling.

MTD, Sr.

Raymond Mon May 19, 2014 08:05am

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Originally Posted by mdray (Post 934362)
A1 receives a pass with both feet on the floor, jumps and lands simultaneously on both feet and then releases a shot. Is this a legal move or is it a travel?

You are seriously overthinking this one...LOL

AremRed Mon May 19, 2014 11:00am

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Originally Posted by mdray (Post 934362)
A1 receives a pass with both feet on the floor, jumps and lands simultaneously on both feet and then releases a shot. Is this a legal move or is it a travel?

Is this one of those "squaring up" moves that shooters do all the time?

Raymond Mon May 19, 2014 12:51pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 934389)
Is this one of those "squaring up" moves that shooters do all the time?

Does it matter? When is it ever legal to have possession of the ball, jump off 2 feet and land with the ball still in your possession?

Mark Padgett Mon May 19, 2014 01:18pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 934403)
Does it matter? When is it ever legal to have possession of the ball, jump off 2 feet and land with the ball still in your possession?

NBE. :rolleyes:

JRutledge Mon May 19, 2014 02:28pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 934404)
NBE. :rolleyes:

You mean NCAA? That is the place I see that move the most not called. Heck it hardly gets called in HS games that I see as well.

Peace

Zoochy Mon May 19, 2014 02:42pm

Hey... if it is not being called in HS, then I am not going to be 'That Guy' and call it an illegal move.:eek: As long as it looks like a good athletic move then it must be legal.:D

Nevadaref Mon May 19, 2014 02:42pm

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Originally Posted by mdray (Post 934362)
A1 receives a pass with both feet on the floor, jumps and lands simultaneously on both feet and then releases a shot. Is this a legal move or is it a travel?

Even though A1 has not established a pivot foot after catching the ball, when A1 jumps off both feet, one of his feet must be considered a pivot foot and if either returns to the floor while A1 is still in control of the ball, then a traveling violation has occurred.

This principle is detailed in the NFHS Casebook ruling below.

4.44.3 SITUATION B:

A1 receives the ball with both feet off the floor and he/she lands simultaneously on both feet without establishing a pivot foot. A1 then jumps off both feet in an attempt to try for goal, but realizing the shot may be blocked, A1 drops the ball to the floor and dribbles.

RULING: A1 has traveled as one foot must be considered to be the pivot and must be on the floor when the ball is released to start a dribble. The fact that no pivot foot had been established does not alter this ruling.

Nevadaref Mon May 19, 2014 02:52pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 934407)
You mean NCAA? That is the place I see that move the most not called. Heck it hardly gets called in HS games that I see as well.

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Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 934408)
Hey... if it is not being called in HS, then I am not going to be 'That Guy' and call it an illegal move.:eek: As long as it looks like a good athletic move then it must be legal.:D

The NFHS specifically instructed officials to call this a traveling violation about five seasons ago.

NFHS BASKETBALL 2009-10 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
1. TRAVELING. The traveling rule has not changed; however, the committee is still concerned that the rule is not being properly enforced. Consequently, offensive players are gaining a tremendous advantage. Areas of specific concern are: the spin move, the step-through move, the jump stop, perimeter shooters taking an extra “hop” prior to releasing the try and ball handlers lifting the pivot foot prior to releasing the ball on the dribble. The key to determining the legality of those moves is to first find the pivot foot. Then, if the player moves a foot or the feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits, a traveling violation has occurred. Officials must know the rule, find the pivot foot and improve call accuracy; coaches must demand that players execute this skill properly, especially in practice; players must continue to develop this basic skill and practice performing legal moves.

OKREF Mon May 19, 2014 05:34pm

Travel

AremRed Mon May 19, 2014 08:11pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 934403)
Does it matter? When is it ever legal to have possession of the ball, jump off 2 feet and land with the ball still in your possession?

Legal? No. Ignored if trifling? Yes.

Do you call traveling in your D1 games when a player does this very scenario when squaring up to shoot?

Raymond Mon May 19, 2014 08:19pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 934422)
Legal? No. Ignored i of trifling? Yes.

Do you call traveling in your D1 games when a player does this very scenario when squaring up to shoot?

I don't know what 'ignored if trifling' means.

AremRed Mon May 19, 2014 08:30pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 934423)
I don't know what 'ignored if trifling' means.

Ignored if no advantage.

Raymond Mon May 19, 2014 09:15pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 934424)
Ignored if no advantage.

Would you let shooters catch the ball and move their pivot foot wherever they wanted to without dribbling?


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