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Old Mon May 19, 2014, 12:51pm
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Is this one of those "squaring up" moves that shooters do all the time?
Does it matter? When is it ever legal to have possession of the ball, jump off 2 feet and land with the ball still in your possession?
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Old Mon May 19, 2014, 01:18pm
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Does it matter? When is it ever legal to have possession of the ball, jump off 2 feet and land with the ball still in your possession?
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Old Mon May 19, 2014, 02:28pm
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You mean NCAA? That is the place I see that move the most not called. Heck it hardly gets called in HS games that I see as well.

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Old Mon May 19, 2014, 02:42pm
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Hey... if it is not being called in HS, then I am not going to be 'That Guy' and call it an illegal move. As long as it looks like a good athletic move then it must be legal.
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Old Mon May 19, 2014, 02:52pm
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You mean NCAA? That is the place I see that move the most not called. Heck it hardly gets called in HS games that I see as well.
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Hey... if it is not being called in HS, then I am not going to be 'That Guy' and call it an illegal move. As long as it looks like a good athletic move then it must be legal.
The NFHS specifically instructed officials to call this a traveling violation about five seasons ago.

NFHS BASKETBALL 2009-10 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
1. TRAVELING. The traveling rule has not changed; however, the committee is still concerned that the rule is not being properly enforced. Consequently, offensive players are gaining a tremendous advantage. Areas of specific concern are: the spin move, the step-through move, the jump stop, perimeter shooters taking an extra “hop” prior to releasing the try and ball handlers lifting the pivot foot prior to releasing the ball on the dribble. The key to determining the legality of those moves is to first find the pivot foot. Then, if the player moves a foot or the feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits, a traveling violation has occurred. Officials must know the rule, find the pivot foot and improve call accuracy; coaches must demand that players execute this skill properly, especially in practice; players must continue to develop this basic skill and practice performing legal moves.
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Old Mon May 19, 2014, 05:34pm
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Old Mon May 19, 2014, 08:11pm
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Does it matter? When is it ever legal to have possession of the ball, jump off 2 feet and land with the ball still in your possession?
Legal? No. Ignored if trifling? Yes.

Do you call traveling in your D1 games when a player does this very scenario when squaring up to shoot?
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Old Mon May 19, 2014, 08:19pm
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Legal? No. Ignored i of trifling? Yes.

Do you call traveling in your D1 games when a player does this very scenario when squaring up to shoot?
I don't know what 'ignored if trifling' means.
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I don't know what 'ignored if trifling' means.
Ignored if no advantage.
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Old Mon May 19, 2014, 09:15pm
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Ignored if no advantage.
Would you let shooters catch the ball and move their pivot foot wherever they wanted to without dribbling?
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Old Mon May 19, 2014, 09:30pm
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Would you let shooters catch the ball and step where ever they want to without dribbling in before shooting the ball?
As Andy Dufresne says: "How can you be so obtuse?"
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Old Mon May 19, 2014, 09:48pm
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Can't say I've seen players catching the ball with BOTH feet on the floor, then jump and land with the ball at any level with any regularity.
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Old Mon May 19, 2014, 09:48pm
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As Andy Dufresne says: "How can you be so obtuse?"
Were you asking me my ruling on this question?:

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A1 receives a pass with both feet on the floor, jumps and lands simultaneously on both feet and then releases a shot. Is this a legal move or is it a travel?
One would have to be very obtuse for not knowing the obvious answer.
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Old Mon May 19, 2014, 09:24pm
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Legal? No. Ignored if trifling? Yes.

Do you call traveling in your D1 games when a player does this very scenario when squaring up to shoot?
I am certainly not a D1 official and will not speak for what one of them will actually do, but this was addressed by John Adams a few times over the years and he feels it should be called. I have never heard him make the suggestion that it matters if there is an advantage. I would agree with you if it is not obvious or we are splitting hairs, but this is usually pretty obvious to see and should be called IMO.

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Legal? No. Ignored if trifling? Yes.
"Trifling" is a soccer officiating term. I've never heard it in basketball.

Pivot foot up + pivot foot down = travel.
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