legal move or not?

Originally Posted by mdray

A1 receives a pass with both feet on the floor, jumps and lands simultaneously on both feet and then releases a shot. Is this a legal move or is it a travel?

Is this one of those "squaring up" moves that shooters do all the time?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Is this one of those "squaring up" moves that shooters do all the time?

Does it matter? When is it ever legal to have possession of the ball, jump off 2 feet and land with the ball still in your possession?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Does it matter? When is it ever legal to have possession of the ball, jump off 2 feet and land with the ball still in your possession?

NBE.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

NBE.

You mean NCAA? That is the place I see that move the most not called. Heck it hardly gets called in HS games that I see as well.

Peace

[Zoochy]

Hey... if it is not being called in HS, then I am not going to be 'That Guy' and call it an illegal move. As long as it looks like a good athletic move then it must be legal.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You mean NCAA? That is the place I see that move the most not called. Heck it hardly gets called in HS games that I see as well.

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Hey... if it is not being called in HS, then I am not going to be 'That Guy' and call it an illegal move. As long as it looks like a good athletic move then it must be legal.

The NFHS specifically instructed officials to call this a traveling violation about five seasons ago.

NFHS BASKETBALL 2009-10 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
1. TRAVELING. The traveling rule has not changed; however, the committee is still concerned that the rule is not being properly enforced. Consequently, offensive players are gaining a tremendous advantage. Areas of specific concern are: the spin move, the step-through move, the jump stop, perimeter shooters taking an extra “hop” prior to releasing the try and ball handlers lifting the pivot foot prior to releasing the ball on the dribble. The key to determining the legality of those moves is to first find the pivot foot. Then, if the player moves a foot or the feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits, a traveling violation has occurred. Officials must know the rule, find the pivot foot and improve call accuracy; coaches must demand that players execute this skill properly, especially in practice; players must continue to develop this basic skill and practice performing legal moves.

[OKREF]

Travel

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Does it matter? When is it ever legal to have possession of the ball, jump off 2 feet and land with the ball still in your possession?

Legal? No. Ignored if trifling? Yes.

Do you call traveling in your D1 games when a player does this very scenario when squaring up to shoot?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Legal? No. Ignored i of trifling? Yes.

Do you call traveling in your D1 games when a player does this very scenario when squaring up to shoot?

I don't know what 'ignored if trifling' means.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't know what 'ignored if trifling' means.

Ignored if no advantage.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Ignored if no advantage.

Would you let shooters catch the ball and move their pivot foot wherever they wanted to without dribbling?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Would you let shooters catch the ball and step where ever they want to without dribbling in before shooting the ball?

As Andy Dufresne says: "How can you be so obtuse?"

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Legal? No. Ignored if trifling? Yes.

Do you call traveling in your D1 games when a player does this very scenario when squaring up to shoot?

I am certainly not a D1 official and will not speak for what one of them will actually do, but this was addressed by John Adams a few times over the years and he feels it should be called. I have never heard him make the suggestion that it matters if there is an advantage. I would agree with you if it is not obvious or we are splitting hairs, but this is usually pretty obvious to see and should be called IMO.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Legal? No. Ignored if trifling? Yes.

"Trifling" is a soccer officiating term. I've never heard it in basketball.

Pivot foot up + pivot foot down = travel.

[Pantherdreams]

Move as described in OP = travel.

Complicating factors in games.

Player can have two feet on the floor and hop as they complete the initial catch without travelling ie. Determining when control is established.

Player can have one foot on the floor, hop onto two and shoot it without traveling. ie. Determining when control is established and if only 1 foot was on the floor making it a jump stop - but that now cannot pivot.