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Originally Posted by Pantherdreams
Quick List of basketball plays/actions:
Pass and Crash where we've got nothing and the play goes the other way. But one player ends up on top of another on the floor.
Two players get tangled up rebounding/running the floor. One stumbles the other trips over them and one lands on a another. No where near the play the both get up and move on.
One player falls/down get knocked down and now on rebounding action trying to avoid stepping player/players stumble and fall landing on each other.
PLayer dives into a the bench of their/opposing team end up on top of someone.
This is just a short list of reasonable things that happen in basketball game where one player ends up ontop of another pretty regularly.
I'm not saying kids can swan dive into opponents with the ball on the floor but the blanket statement of jumping and landing on player while in the midst of making a play has to be uniformly applied as a foul seems nonsensical.
Players are allowed to reach for the ball and get to the ball athletically (jumping/diving/etc). If that play creates contact we've now got some factors to look at: A) is the contact creating any immediate and clear adv/dis that wouldn't have been gained without the contact B) is passing on this type of contact as incedental going to promote/allow/lead to rough play.
There are more aggressive and physically damaging or taxing things that can happen to a player that are perfectly legal than having a player on top of them. So why would this ALWAYS = rough play? If two players are tied up in a loose ball standing and one goes to ground pulling the other player down on top of them would you have a foul then?
I can see and do see situations when the contact is excessive or dangerous and/ creates an unfair adv/dis so in those situations I would call a foul. To say I'm going to automatically call a foul because in the course of a play one player ends up on top of another . . . I don't think so.
Maybe in your mind "jumping on" and in my mind "jumping on" are not covering the same range of possible actions, but to say its absolutely always going to be a foul is not something I'm comfortable saying.
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Most, perhaps all, of your examples are apples and oranges relative to the play being discussed.
If a player is on the floor and another dives/jumps/etc. onto that player, even in an attempt to get the ball, it is a foul, every time. At no time is deliberately jumping onto another player a legal play. That is quite different than stumbling or tripping and ending up on another player....which may or may not be a foul depending on how it all happened.
Again, from the NFHS POEs:
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C. Loose balls. Rough play and excessive contact while attempting to secure a loose ball continue to be a concern. Coaches, players and officials must understand that a loose-ball situation is not consent for a player to “jump on” an opponent on the floor in an attempt to create a held ball. Likewise, merely because a player is “going for the ball” does not give that player permission to “take out” an opponent who is in a more advantageous position. Incidental contact (4-27) allows for contact when players are in equally favorable positions.
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If one player is on the floor with the ball and the other dives on, those are not equally favorable positions.