Held ball or foul?

[Sharpshooternes]

So what do you all call when a1 is lying on the ground and has just recovered a loose ball and then B1 comes and lands on top of them trying to tie it up. Held ball or foul?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

So what do you all call when a1 is lying on the ground and has just recovered a loose ball and then B1 comes and lands on top of them trying to tie it up. Held ball or foul?

Did you mean "him" when you said "them"?
If A1 and a B player had mutual grasp on the ball and then B1 comes and lands on top of "them", it could be a held ball then a dead ball technical on B1.
If B1 jumps onto "him", A1, who has the ball himself, then it's a foul.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Did you mean "him" when you said "them"?
If A1 and a B player had mutual grasp on the ball and then B1 comes and lands on top of "them", it could be a held ball then a dead ball technical on B1.
If B1 jumps onto "him", A1, who has the ball himself, then it's a foul.

Glad that someone else finally mentioned it.
Way too many people write "they" or "them" when a singular pronoun should be used. One of the worst offenders is a regular poster on this forum.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Glad that someone else finally mentioned it.
Way too many people write "they" or "them" when a singular pronoun should be used. One of the worst offenders is a regular poster on this forum.

Any forum contributor who errs gramatically in this way...they ought not be tolerated.

(political correctness prompts too many to avoid the generic singular "he" when it can be used in a non-gender oriented sense...I'm getting tired of typing s/he as a middle ground)

Foul. I'd rather not encourage jumping on top of players to get to the ball, no matter what side it's on. Players tangled on the ground leads to unnecessary dead ball technicals.

[Pantherdreams]

He/she/they should call a jump here.

Unless the contact is clearly intent on landing on/into the player as an excuse to crash and no a play on the ball.

You've got a player on the floor who doesn't have any sort of legal position, another player making a play on the ball. Unless you can tell that the contact is clearly disadvantaging a player (laying on the ground unable to do anything with no expectation of time and space.) Then contact is incidental and we jump it up.

Unless they feel like him was creating excessive contact leading to rough play by them.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Freddy

(political correctness prompts too many to avoid the generic singular "he" when it can be used in a non-gender oriented sense...I'm getting tired of typing s/he as a middle ground)

I write that and "hir".

But unless terms have changed, isn't it "tie ball" rather than "held"?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I write that and "hir".

But unless terms have changed, isn't it "tie ball" rather than "held"?

It's been held ball for at least 18 years.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Glad that someone else finally mentioned it.
Way too many people write "they" or "them" when a singular pronoun should be used. One of the worst offenders is a regular poster on this forum.

Probably me!

I'll take note of that and fix my grammar...didn't realize I was using it like that.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Freddy

If B1 jumps onto "him", A1, who has the ball himself, then it's a foul.

True if the ball is underneath A1 or on the "other side" of A1.

If the ball is on the "same side" as B1, then I'd generally go with the held ball and call any contact incidental.