Wisconsin-Arizona Player Control Foul (Video)

[APG]

I've got a foul on the defender for moving forward into the dribbler prior to the push off by the dribbler.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by APG

I've got a foul on the defender for moving forward into the dribbler prior to the push off by the dribbler.

So do I for the same reason. I see W21 moving into F13 before the push by F13.

I also have continuation on the play.

Originally Posted by tomegun

I purposely didn't mention the official or past accomplishments as that has no bearing on a discussion about the call to me.

Agreed.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by APG

I've got a foul on the defender for moving forward into the dribbler prior to the push off by the dribbler.

Agreed. Like the Michigan St. game, the big push off was retaliation for the initial contact.

[canuckrefguy]

The ONLY point at which there is contact between the two players:







If the dribbler continues on his path without pushing off, there is no question of a defensive foul and continuation. The problem is he doesn't do that. He pushes off BEFORE there is any illegal contact by the defender.

It's a bang-bang play, and as close as it gets - but I still like the offensive foul call - whether it's Tony Greene, APG, or even TCW calling it

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I looked at the video, looked up the definition of lateral (just to make sure I'm not crazy), looked at the video again and asked my wife to look at the video. If someone can move laterally while their body is moving in the direction they are facing, and they take one step in that direction prior to contact, then yes I agree the player was moving laterally.

This play could make the NCAA video for next season. Tough play in a tough situation.

I purposely didn't mention the official or past accomplishments as that has no bearing on a discussion about the call to me.

Very objective and fair of you. Given that you most likely know Tony from your days in the DC area, I applaud your effort to try to eliminate the personal aspect of the people involved and just examine the basketball elements of the play.
This is the manner in which all of us should be viewing these videos and refraining from leveling personal accusations against any of the officials involved. I thank Tomegun for leading us in the right direction as we strive to learn and improve ourselves. Let's do so with class.

Originally Posted by APG

I've got a foul on the defender for moving forward into the dribbler prior to the push off by the dribbler.

It is difficult for me to tell if the defender simply played strong and physical defense while both players were moving or if he created illegal contact.
I'll wait until I can watch the video on a screen bigger than 2"x3".