NCAA should adapt NBA travel: rule 2 steps after dribble ends, DivIII championship

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

By rule, a player with one foot on a lane line is subject to being called for a three-second violation. Do we get such angina over this rule not being called strictly to the letter? Is there a cry to "change the rule?"

This is not a good comparison. There is no advantage gained by the player touching the lane line. The player who scores after a spin move which we knew was going to be a travel before he ever started the move is gaining a huge advantage.

Lack of traveling calls in the NCAA apparently is not a problem. They are consistent in their non-calls and those involved seem to be adjusted. The problem is when the spin move happens in my high school game and I do call it.

"He's been doing that all year without it being called."

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This is not a good comparison. There is no advantage gained by the player touching the lane line. The player who scores after a spin move which we knew was going to be a travel before he ever started the move is gaining a huge advantage.

Lack of traveling calls in the NCAA apparently is not a problem. They are consistent in their non-calls and those involved seem to be adjusted. The problem is when the spin move happens in my high school game and I do call it.

"He's been doing that all year without it being called."

I hear that, too. I called one in a regional final. Coach said, "I know that's a travel, but you're the first person who's called it." I shrugged. The player didn't do it again.

I'm not sure this one is in that category.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

I hear that, too. I called one in a regional final. Coach said, "I know that's a travel, but you're the first person who's called it." I shrugged. The player didn't do it again.

I'm not sure this one is in that category.

The one in the OP? I agree. Not close to this category.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

I"I know that's a travel, but you're the first person who's called it."

Yep, and this makes me cringe. You can't blame them for doing something if it's never called. It turns things into a guessing game. What are they going to call tonight?

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Yep, and this makes me cringe. You can't blame them for doing something if it's never called. It turns things into a guessing game. What are they going to call tonight?

Not being caught previously doesn't give them the right to break the rules. If I speed on the way to work everyday and don't get caught till Friday I bet I am still getting a ticket. I gambled and lost just like they do when preforming an illegal move.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Not being caught previously doesn't give them the right to break the rules. If I speed on the way to work everyday and don't get caught till Friday I bet I am still getting a ticket. I gambled and lost just like they do when preforming an illegal move.

This is true except more accurately you are speeding to work everyday but do not know the speed limit/ that you are speeding. Also everyday you drive by a police officer whos is allowing you to travel at that speed. Then one day on the way to work a different officer pulls you over and informs you that you've been speeding and you are getting a ticket.

He's not wrong but I bet you are way more pissed off than if the first guy had pulled you over and warned u/ given you a ticket on Monday.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

This is true except more accurately you are speeding to work everyday but do not know the speed limit/ that you are speeding. Also everyday you drive by a police officer whos is allowing you to travel at that speed. Then one day on the way to work a different officer pulls you over and informs you that you've been speeding and you are getting a ticket.

He's not wrong but I bet you are way more pissed off than if the first guy had pulled you over and warned u/ given you a ticket on Monday.

Coaches get pissed off all the time. I can't base my officiating on how other people call games. If I had a dollar for every time a coach said this (in 3 sports), I could retire.

All we can try to do is educate through our associations and get people to call the games consistently.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

This is true except more accurately you are speeding to work everyday but do not know the speed limit/ that you are speeding. Also everyday you drive by a police officer whos is allowing you to travel at that speed. Then one day on the way to work a different officer pulls you over and informs you that you've been speeding and you are getting a ticket.

He's not wrong but I bet you are way more pissed off than if the first guy had pulled you over and warned u/ given you a ticket on Monday.

It's still not the cops fault that you got a ticket for speeding. It's yours.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Not being caught previously doesn't give them the right to break the rules. If I speed on the way to work everyday and don't get caught till Friday I bet I am still getting a ticket. I gambled and lost just like they do when preforming an illegal move.

With a travel the kid may not even realize (s)he is doing it if they haven't been nailed for it. I dinged a kid on three straight trips in a game two years ago and he got ticked (he would catch the ball and do a three-step shuffle - without dribbling - to set himself before getting his shot off). The HC calmed him down and definitely wasn't upset with me. The HC eventually told me:

"Ref, you're absolutely right. Those were travels. He's just upset because (wait for it...) no one has called him for it this season."

The game was in January. That's our fault.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

With a travel the kid may not even realize (s)he is doing it if they haven't been nailed for it. I dinged a kid on three straight trips in a game two years ago and he got ticked (he would catch the ball and do a three-step shuffle - without dribbling - to set himself before getting his shot off). The HC calmed him down and definitely wasn't upset with me. The HC eventually told me:

"Ref, you're absolutely right. Those were travels. He's just upset because (wait for it...) no one has called him for it this season."

The game was in January. That's our fault.

I have had one like that in baseball already. Kid does this half windup half stretch thing that is a balk every time. Balked him on a Wednesday. Partner balked him on Friday. Following Wednesday I balked him again. "He's been doing that all year - no one has called it on him yet." Partner (who says what I think quite often) beat me to it with "Sir, I believe you need to upgrade your facial recognition software." and walked away.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I have had one like that in baseball already. Kid does this half windup half stretch thing that is a balk every time. Balked him on a Wednesday. Partner balked him on Friday. Following Wednesday I balked him again. "He's been doing that all year - no one has called it on him yet." Partner (who says what I think quite often) beat me to it with "Sir, I believe you need to upgrade your facial recognition software." and walked away.

I put no stock in the "no one has called it all year" comment. It may be true, but it's at least as likely to not be even close to true.