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Guys, you can call this play a travel, but you would be wrong. IF you think this is a travel (and make this call), I can assure you that you won't even come remotely close to getting championship game (regardless of level) assignments.
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Now back to the point I was trying to make. In games of "real magnitude", I agree no one would make this call even though it was clearly a travel. So why not adapt the NBA rule and make it easy to call and catch up to the way its called anyway. Not trying to ruffle feathers but the NBA has figured it out. |
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Agree...likely not.
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If you think that getting a call right will keep someone out of a championship, they you have a funny way of judging ability. Oh, and I know at least one multi-championship official that would have no trouble calling it.
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Illegal. Too bad an NCAA championship game ended in such a manner. |
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That is about dumbest comment made on this forum in several years.
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Said only you and the minority.
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I know many of you have impeccable credentials and I'm not trying to undermine them. I would never question anyone's integrity. Even if it's technically a travel (I'm saying that for discussion purposes only) I just don't see it picked up and I don't see it called in real time in the floor. Not at this level, not at the D1 level. Why would it get called at a lower level? A better philosophical discussion would be whether it makes sense for anyone to call something that not a single participant, coach, media person, or fan expects to be called. Can anyone find a single comment on this play other than on the officiating forum? |
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B) What is this 2 steps nonsense? C) Please review what a "gather" is and how it applies here before stepping back on the court. This one's not really even close.
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The issue here is not whether or not the footwork when broken down on video is a travel.
The issue is that in real time in real life when you determine the gather takes place. I don't like the NBA rule as much as I like the NFHS/fiba rule and interps. I think that regionally/nationally and god forbid internationally there can be a better job done of establishing guidelines and following guidelines for things like: -when the gather occurs - difference between a stride and jump and step - whether a step is what they want to take on the catch or could take - when the ball leaves the hand vs. when the dribbling motion starts etc.
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I think it's pretty evident what the Op is referencing. The OP is referencing the NBA rule book, which specifically uses steps to determine the pivot foot. The play in question wouldn't even be an issue under NBA rules.
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