NCAA should adapt NBA travel: rule 2 steps after dribble ends, DivIII championship

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jump stop

Here is another example of dribble ending and 2 steps. In NCAA tourney games this does not get called. No one protested these end of the game moves. "The Game" is at the point where people are comfortable with 2 steps after the dribble ends.

This isn't even remotely close to a travel. Gather happens, pivot foot comes down, never comes back to the floor.

Officials do not count the number of steps. Period.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

Officials do not count the number of steps.

Rich is 100% correct. To judge if a player travels, or not, an official determines which foot is the pivot foot, and then, knowing the limitations on moving that pivot foot, applies the rule to decide if, indeed, traveling has occurred.

A player can take fifteen "steps" with his nonpivot foot (jab steps) and never travel, as long as the keeps the pivot foot stationary. He can then legally lift his pivot foot to pass, or make a try for goal. It's not a travel unless his pivot foot touches the floor before he releases the pass, or try. He can also legally start a dribble, as long as he releases the ball before he lifts his pivot foot, and of course, as long as he hasn't already ended a previous dribble, but that would be an illegal (double) dribble, not a travel, and that's a story for another night. And the next night I can tell you a story about jump stops.

[Rob1968]

And so often, we hear the crowd disparagaing our non-call of a perceived travel when the ballhandler hasn't controlled the ball. They seem to see only the feet, in such instances, with no regard for whether the player actually has control of the ball.

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

And so often, we hear the crowd disparagaing our non-call of a perceived travel when the ballhandler hasn't controlled the ball. They seem to see only the feet, in such instances, with no regard for whether the player actually has control of the ball.

The idea that you can't travel during a fumble is one of the great unknowns to most coaches and fans.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

And so often, we hear the crowd disparaging our non-call of a perceived travel when the ballhandler hasn't controlled the ball. They seem to see only the feet, in such instances, with no regard for whether the player actually has control of the ball.

Well put. A player can't travel if he doesn't have possession of the ball. Determining whether he has possession, or not? "Ay, there's the rub!" That's why we get paid big bucks to be at the game, and why fans have to pay to be at the game.

[Rich]

I've watched it, stop-actioned, frame-by-frame. I'm still not willing to say it's definitely a travel or not. Therefore, it's not.

I have one conclusion, though. Some people are great officials on the Internet or on YouTube.

I can't imagine anyone working a game of any real magnitude making this call.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

Some people are great officials on the Internet or on YouTube.

You haven't been reading a lot of recent posts after a video has been posted, have you?

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've watched it, stop-actioned, frame-by-frame. I'm still not willing to say it's definitely a travel or not. Therefore, it's not.

I have one conclusion, though. Some people are great officials on the Internet or on YouTube.

I can't imagine anyone working a game of any real magnitude making this call.

I do agree this isn't the best angle. Would like to see a shot from the endline.

[Raymond]

My cable provider as a Media Hub feature which allows you to download DVR'd recordings. You may want to look into that. I'm not even trying to look at these videos.

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've watched it, stop-actioned, frame-by-frame. I'm still not willing to say it's definitely a travel or not. Therefore, it's not.

I have one conclusion, though. Some people are great officials on the Internet or on YouTube.

I can't imagine anyone working a game of any real magnitude making this call.

Well , you have gone from saying "that this is not remotely close to travel and you are on a crusade" to " I'm not willing to say it is a travel or not and a YouTube official" Not sure what that is all about: either 1) you don't know what a pivot foot is( probably not the case) or 2) gave a statement about something that you didn't look at properly

Now back to the point I was trying to make. In games of "real magnitude", I agree no one would make this call even though it was clearly a travel. So why not adapt the NBA rule and make it easy to call and catch up to the way its called anyway.
Not trying to ruffle feathers but the NBA has figured it out.

[OKREF]

Maybe a travel should just be called when it happens.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jump stop

So why not adapt the NBA rule and make it easy to call and catch up to the way its called anyway.
Not trying to ruffle feathers but the NBA has figured it out.

Unless you want HS and college to change the NBA rule, please stop writing "adapt" when the proper word is "adopt."

[OKREF]

This is a travel. The dribble ends with his right foot on the floor, picks it up and puts it back before shooting or passing.

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by Rich

This isn't even remotely close to a travel. Gather happens, pivot foot comes down, never comes back to the floor.

Officials do not count the number of steps. Period.

Stop video at 1:18 Ball gathered with 2 hands , right foot on floor. Then he proceeds to put left foot on floor and then right foot comes back down.

Here's the NBA rule on traveling when dribble ends:
b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball

This is exactly what he did

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by Rich

This isn't even remotely close to a travel. Gather happens, pivot foot comes down, never comes back to the floor.

Guys, you can call this play a travel, but you would be wrong. IF you think this is a travel (and make this call), I can assure you that you won't even come remotely close to getting championship game (regardless of level) assignments.