NCAA should adapt NBA travel: rule 2 steps after dribble ends, DivIII championship

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It was a travel. You might not catch it live, but it was. And if I saw it, I'd call it....and have called it.

If you think that getting a call right will keep someone out of a championship, they you have a funny way of judging ability.

Oh, and I know at least one multi-championship official that would have no trouble calling it.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Sorry, but that is a textbook travel. The dribble ends with the player putting both hands on the ball while his right foot is still on the floor. He then steps with his left and followed by his right.
Illegal. Too bad an NCAA championship game ended in such a manner.

Make that two (and probably a lot more).

[Rich]

Guys:

I know many of you have impeccable credentials and I'm not trying to undermine them.

I would never question anyone's integrity. Even if it's technically a travel (I'm saying that for discussion purposes only) I just don't see it picked up and I don't see it called in real time in the floor. Not at this level, not at the D1 level. Why would it get called at a lower level?

A better philosophical discussion would be whether it makes sense for anyone to call something that not a single participant, coach, media person, or fan expects to be called. Can anyone find a single comment on this play other than on the officiating forum?

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by Rich

Guys:

I know many of you have impeccable credentials and I'm not trying to undermine them.

I would never question anyone's integrity. Even if it's technically a travel (I'm saying that for discussion purposes only) I just don't see it picked up and I don't see it called in real time in the floor. Not at this level, not at the D1 level. Why would it get called at a lower level?

A better philosophical discussion would be whether it makes sense for anyone to call something that not a single participant, coach, media person, or fan expects to be called. Can anyone find a single comment on this play other than on the officiating forum?

1998 D1 Men summer tournament, I called an obvious travel near the end of a Bronze medal game, on a breakaway dunk . . . it nearly cost me my contract. Our Supervisor was there, and let me know that although the call might be correct, by the rule, nobody wanted it called and in such a case, I should let it go . . .

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

Even if it's technically a travel (I'm saying that for discussion purposes only) I just don't see it picked up and I don't see it called in real time in the floor. Not at this level, not at the D1 level. Why would it get called at a lower level?

A better philosophical discussion would be whether it makes sense for anyone to call something that not a single participant, coach, media person, or fan expects to be called. Can anyone find a single comment on this play other than on the officiating forum?

First of all, (I've seen this term here before) I don't really get what you mean by "technically" a travel. Traveling has no gray area. It is a travel or it isn't. Certainly some are easier to see than others, and, like most, I am in the camp of being certain. (If it might have been a travel, it ain't a travel.) Having said that, one can be certain and still be wrong. Looking at the evidence, it seems to me that recently in the NCAA we see roughly one wrongly called for every one hundred which are fairly obvious that are not called. This leads me to believe that, to some degree at least, the officials have been directed to let things slide, perhaps in the name of boosting the offense and producing a better product for the fans.

So, if a huge number of violations, some obvious, others not so much, are not called, this is what leads to the expectations mentioned above. It's not that they don't expect this violation to be called, but rather that they've seen it so many times without a call that they don't believe it to be a violation.

"They need to call it or change the rule."***

**Bob Knight, several years ago (paraphrased)

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jump stop

Here is another example of dribble ending and 2 steps. In NCAA tourney games this does not get called. No one protested these end of the game moves. "The Game" is at the point where people are comfortable with 2 steps after the dribble ends.

A) Worst video ever.
B) What is this 2 steps nonsense?
C) Please review what a "gather" is and how it applies here before stepping back on the court.

This one's not really even close.

[Pantherdreams]

The issue here is not whether or not the footwork when broken down on video is a travel.

The issue is that in real time in real life when you determine the gather takes place.

I don't like the NBA rule as much as I like the NFHS/fiba rule and interps. I think that regionally/nationally and god forbid internationally there can be a better job done of establishing guidelines and following guidelines for things like:
-when the gather occurs
- difference between a stride and jump and step
- whether a step is what they want to take on the catch or could take
- when the ball leaves the hand vs. when the dribbling motion starts
etc.

[APG]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

A) Worst video ever.
B) What is this 2 steps nonsense?
C) Please review what a "gather" is and how it applies here before stepping back on the court.

This one's not really even close.

I think it's pretty evident what the Op is referencing. The OP is referencing the NBA rule book, which specifically uses steps to determine the pivot foot. The play in question wouldn't even be an issue under NBA rules.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by APG

I think it's pretty evident what the Op is referencing. The OP is referencing the NBA rule book, which specifically uses steps to determine the pivot foot. The play in question wouldn't even be an issue under NBA rules.

He needs some NBA quality video for me to know what he is talking about.