Euro step travel last minute Dayton/Syr no way it gets called

[JRutledge]

I am sorry, I do not see a travel.

Peace

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am sorry, I do not see a travel.

Peace

the view from the back (:48 of video) shows the left foot down and dribble ended (both hands on ball), steps on to right foot, steps on to left foot again, finish. I didn't catch it watching live, or from the sideline angle. So I'm in the group that says this is a travel but one that I would probably not call unless I had a completely unobstructed view and knew what I was looking at.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

the view from the back (:48 of video) shows the left foot down and dribble ended (both hands on ball), steps on to right foot, steps on to left foot again, finish. I didn't catch it watching live, or from the sideline angle. So I'm in the group that says this is a travel but one that I would probably not call unless I had a completely unobstructed view and knew what I was looking at.

You do not see the ball clearly, which is one of the most important part of calling a travel. All angles are obstructed to some extent and it is a judgment if you feel that he has completely gathered the ball with a foot on the floor or in the air.

To me it has to be very obvious, not something we have to slow down to see.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

the view from the back (:48 of video) shows the left foot down and dribble ended (both hands on ball), steps on to right foot, steps on to left foot again, finish. I didn't catch it watching live, or from the sideline angle. So I'm in the group that says this is a travel but one that I would probably not call unless I had a completely unobstructed view and knew what I was looking at.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You do not see the ball clearly, which is one of the most important part of calling a travel. All angles are obstructed to some extent and it is a judgment if you feel that he has completely gathered the ball with a foot on the floor or in the air.

To me it has to be very obvious, not something we have to slow down to see.

Peace

The view from the back has the ball disappearing, I do not see clear possession from that angle until the right foot is down (hating that I cursed my eyes to this video in the first place).

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

the view from the back (:48 of video) shows the left foot down and dribble ended (both hands on ball), steps on to right foot, steps on to left foot again, finish. I didn't catch it watching live, or from the sideline angle. So I'm in the group that says this is a travel but one that I would probably not call unless I had a completely unobstructed view and knew what I was looking at.

Two hands on the ball doesn't mean he's gathered/possessed it. Those on this crusade seem to be wanting to judge the pivot foot the instant the ball is touched.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Rich

Two hands on the ball doesn't mean he's gathered/possessed it. Those on this crusade seem to be wanting to judge the pivot foot the instant the ball is touched.

What does two hands on the ball mean if it doesn't mean possession?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

Two hands on the ball doesn't mean he's gathered/possessed it. Those on this crusade seem to be wanting to judge the pivot foot the instant the ball is touched.

It might not in 0.1% of the cases, but in the overwhelming majority of cases, two hands on is holding the ball. Two hand on that remain on is the start of a hold. What else could it be?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It might not in 0.1% of the cases, but in the overwhelming majority of cases, two hands on is holding the ball. Two hand on that remain on is the start of a hold. What else could it be?

Start of, exactly. I'm not judging the pivot foot status at that instant, which is what all the stop-action video people are trying to do. I'm ensuring that the ball is actually gathered/possessed first.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

Start of, exactly. I'm not judging the pivot foot status at that instant, which is what all the stop-action video people are trying to do. I'm ensuring that the ball is actually gathered/possessed first.

When the hold starts and is when the pivot foot restrictions begin. The rules define no window of activity that is excepted. The rules don't define anything else. You may wait to see if it remains in control to confirm they really did catch it but the pivot foot restrictions still began when they got two hands on the ball.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

When the hold starts and is when the pivot foot restrictions begin. The rules define no window of activity that is excepted. The rules don't define anything else. You may wait to see if it remains in control to confirm they really did catch it but the pivot foot restrictions still began when they got two hands on the ball.

It takes time to recognize two hands and identify the pivot foot, though. Too many people want to stop the film at the instant the two hands touch the ball.

Sorry, I'm never going to try to cut it that fine. My job isn't playing "gotcha" with stuff like this.

(I really do think you can be "too good" when it comes to traveling. There's a reason why so many are "missed" and it's not because those guys can't identify it. Of course they can, they're top officials because they see things and can process them extremely well.)