Dayton IPFW - Travel

[Spence]

Player catches the ball in the air and his body hits the floor. Ball hits the floor as well and never comes loose. Hand not under the ball.

Travel?

Jordan Sibert’s last-second three-pointer pushes Dayton past IPFW (VIDEO) | CollegeBasketballTalk

[Adam]

I've got a travel, as this is explicitly not a dribble.

Haven't seen the video, though, so I reserve my judgment for the play as it actually happened.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Haven't seen the video ...

I've seen the video. I don't believe that the player caught the ball and, thus, didn't have possession of the ball when he fell, so I don't have a travel. Certainly an exciting ending to a game.

[OKREF]

Man, this is pretty tough, but I don't think he has possession when he falls to the floor.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Didn't even look close to possession. I've got nothing.

[referee99]

Hard to look at that court!

[referee99]

Nor do I see an official in a good position to make a traveling call.

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I've seen the video. I don't believe that the player caught the ball and, thus, didn't have possession of the ball when he fell, so I don't have a travel. Certainly an exciting ending to a game.

Let me play Captain Obvious...If the player did have possession it would be a travel because he went to the floor with the ball. (Only hand and foot) can touch floor.

Correct reasoning?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Let me play Captain Obvious...If the player did have possession it would be a travel because he went to the floor with the ball. (Only hand and foot) can touch floor.

Correct reasoning?

Correct in NFHS for sure (and my assumption is that this is the level you do -- and I don't mean to make that sound perjorative)

[Mark Padgett]

No travel on the play in question, but the blue player traveled just before the release of the final shot attempt. If you listen closely, you can hear a whistle just a microsecond before he releases the ball. The whistle isn't to indicate the clock going to zero because the clock on top of the basket doesn't get to zero until the ball just about hits the board. So, even if that final shot would have gone in, it wouldn't have counted because of the travel call prior to the release.

Here's something to ponder - if the travel was called at the end (like I described), then shouldn't they have reset the clock and given the ball to white to inbound, which could have resulted in something else happening before the game was over, like a foul or something?

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Correct in NFHS for sure (and my assumption is that this is the level you do -- and I don't mean to make that sound perjorative)

Yes I do HS Ball...my goal this season is to understand the "WHY" behind the rules..This will allow me to better explain calls I make

Thanks Bob

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

I've got a travel, as this is explicitly not a dribble.

Haven't seen the video, though, so I reserve my judgment for the play as it actually happened.

In NCAA you have to have a pivot foot in order to travel, so catching the ball in mid-air and falling to the ground is not a travel.

In this video, no travel as A1 never established a pivot foot while in possession of the ball.

Howeva, the person who passed the ball to the successful jump shooter most definitely travelled.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

No travel on the play in question, but the blue player traveled just before the release of the final shot attempt. If you listen closely, you can hear a whistle just a microsecond before he releases the ball. The whistle isn't to indicate the clock going to zero because the clock on top of the basket doesn't get to zero until the ball just about hits the board. So, even if that final shot would have gone in, it wouldn't have counted because of the travel call prior to the release.

...

Yes, the C is most definitely waving off the shot by Blue before the clock ran out. But it is possible that the throw-in occurred with 0.3 on the clock, so he was waving it off b/c a shot attempt is not possible.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In NCAA you have to have a pivot foot in order to travel, so catching the ball in mid-air and falling to the ground is not a travel.

.

Wow. Didn't know that. Thanks.

Can you cite that rule.

[Spence]

Didn't the player establish his pivot foot when his first foot landed before he hit the ground?