NCAA should adapt NBA travel: rule 2 steps after dribble ends, DivIII championship

[jump stop]

Here is another example of dribble ending and 2 steps. In NCAA tourney games this does not get called. No one protested these end of the game moves. "The Game" is at the point where people are comfortable with 2 steps after the dribble ends.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jump stop

Here is another example of dribble ending and 2 steps. In NCAA tourney games this does not get called. No one protested these end of the game moves. "The Game" is at the point where people are comfortable with 2 steps after the dribble ends.

This isn't even remotely close to a travel. Gather happens, pivot foot comes down, never comes back to the floor.

Officials do not count the number of steps. Period.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

Officials do not count the number of steps.

Rich is 100% correct. To judge if a player travels, or not, an official determines which foot is the pivot foot, and then, knowing the limitations on moving that pivot foot, applies the rule to decide if, indeed, traveling has occurred.

A player can take fifteen "steps" with his nonpivot foot (jab steps) and never travel, as long as the keeps the pivot foot stationary. He can then legally lift his pivot foot to pass, or make a try for goal. It's not a travel unless his pivot foot touches the floor before he releases the pass, or try. He can also legally start a dribble, as long as he releases the ball before he lifts his pivot foot, and of course, as long as he hasn't already ended a previous dribble, but that would be an illegal (double) dribble, not a travel, and that's a story for another night. And the next night I can tell you a story about jump stops.

[Rob1968]

And so often, we hear the crowd disparagaing our non-call of a perceived travel when the ballhandler hasn't controlled the ball. They seem to see only the feet, in such instances, with no regard for whether the player actually has control of the ball.

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

And so often, we hear the crowd disparagaing our non-call of a perceived travel when the ballhandler hasn't controlled the ball. They seem to see only the feet, in such instances, with no regard for whether the player actually has control of the ball.

The idea that you can't travel during a fumble is one of the great unknowns to most coaches and fans.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

And so often, we hear the crowd disparaging our non-call of a perceived travel when the ballhandler hasn't controlled the ball. They seem to see only the feet, in such instances, with no regard for whether the player actually has control of the ball.

Well put. A player can't travel if he doesn't have possession of the ball. Determining whether he has possession, or not? "Ay, there's the rub!" That's why we get paid big bucks to be at the game, and why fans have to pay to be at the game.

[Rich]

I've watched it, stop-actioned, frame-by-frame. I'm still not willing to say it's definitely a travel or not. Therefore, it's not.

I have one conclusion, though. Some people are great officials on the Internet or on YouTube.

I can't imagine anyone working a game of any real magnitude making this call.

[OKREF]

This is a travel. The dribble ends with his right foot on the floor, picks it up and puts it back before shooting or passing.

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by Rich

This isn't even remotely close to a travel. Gather happens, pivot foot comes down, never comes back to the floor.

Officials do not count the number of steps. Period.

Stop video at 1:18 Ball gathered with 2 hands , right foot on floor. Then he proceeds to put left foot on floor and then right foot comes back down.

Here's the NBA rule on traveling when dribble ends:
b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball

This is exactly what he did

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by Rich

This isn't even remotely close to a travel. Gather happens, pivot foot comes down, never comes back to the floor.

Guys, you can call this play a travel, but you would be wrong. IF you think this is a travel (and make this call), I can assure you that you won't even come remotely close to getting championship game (regardless of level) assignments.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Guys, you can call this play a travel, but you would be wrong. IF you think this is a travel (and make this call), I can assure you that you won't even come remotely close to getting championship game (regardless of level) assignments.

You would be wrong. There is disagreement on this play from at least two officials who are championship level officials in their respective states.

You may want to refrain from such blanket assessments.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Guys, you can call this play a travel, but you would be wrong. IF you think this is a travel (and make this call), I can assure you that you won't even come remotely close to getting championship game (regardless of level) assignments.

It was a travel. You might not catch it live, but it was. And if I saw it, I'd call it....and have called it.

If you think that getting a call right will keep someone out of a championship, they you have a funny way of judging ability.

Oh, and I know at least one multi-championship official that would have no trouble calling it.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Guys, you can call this play a travel, but you would be wrong. IF you think this is a travel (and make this call), I can assure you that you won't even come remotely close to getting championship game (regardless of level) assignments.

That is about dumbest comment made on this forum in several years.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Rich

This isn't even remotely close to a travel. Gather happens, pivot foot comes down, never comes back to the floor.

Officials do not count the number of steps. Period.

Sorry, but that is a textbook travel. The dribble ends with the player putting both hands on the ball while his right foot is still on the floor. He then steps with his left and followed by his right.
Illegal. Too bad an NCAA championship game ended in such a manner.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Too bad an NCAA championship game ended in such a manner.

Said only you and the minority.