Euro step travel last minute Dayton/Syr no way it gets called

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It might not in 0.1% of the cases, but in the overwhelming majority of cases, two hands on is holding the ball. Two hand on that remain on is the start of a hold. What else could it be?

Start of, exactly. I'm not judging the pivot foot status at that instant, which is what all the stop-action video people are trying to do. I'm ensuring that the ball is actually gathered/possessed first.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

Start of, exactly. I'm not judging the pivot foot status at that instant, which is what all the stop-action video people are trying to do. I'm ensuring that the ball is actually gathered/possessed first.

When the hold starts and is when the pivot foot restrictions begin. The rules define no window of activity that is excepted. The rules don't define anything else. You may wait to see if it remains in control to confirm they really did catch it but the pivot foot restrictions still began when they got two hands on the ball.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

When the hold starts and is when the pivot foot restrictions begin. The rules define no window of activity that is excepted. The rules don't define anything else. You may wait to see if it remains in control to confirm they really did catch it but the pivot foot restrictions still began when they got two hands on the ball.

It takes time to recognize two hands and identify the pivot foot, though. Too many people want to stop the film at the instant the two hands touch the ball.

Sorry, I'm never going to try to cut it that fine. My job isn't playing "gotcha" with stuff like this.

(I really do think you can be "too good" when it comes to traveling. There's a reason why so many are "missed" and it's not because those guys can't identify it. Of course they can, they're top officials because they see things and can process them extremely well.)

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

It takes time to recognize two hands and identify the pivot foot, though. Too many people want to stop the film at the instant the two hands touch the ball.

Sorry, I'm never going to try to cut it that fine. My job isn't playing "gotcha" with stuff like this.

(I really do think you can be "too good" when it comes to traveling. There's a reason why so many are "missed" and it's not because those guys can't identify it. Of course they can, they're top officials because they see things and can process them extremely well.)

I don't know if this was your intention, but in a roundabout way what you're saying is that "err on the side of caution" has been taken to such an extreme that, to me, it is not acceptable. Most will agree that if slow motion instant replay is needed to make a travel call, it shouldn't be made. But isn't this like anything else, some officials can see it better than others? If I call a travel and replay proves it wrong, we all agree it's a bad call. But if I call a travel that you didn't see and replay proves it right, it seems to me that you, and others, in no way see it as a good call. Is this a fair assessment or not?