Timing question

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by LRZ

Unless I'm missing something, see Walt's and Jeff's answers at #2 and #3, respectively.

You are. Walt's and JEff's answers are incorrect.

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

You are. Walt's and JEff's answers are incorrect.

This is the situation to which I was replying, MD: "Same situation - no replay - no definite knowledge of exactly how much time was on the clock ... just the order of events - shot starts; foul happens; buzzer sounds; then noticeably after the buzzer --- shot leaves the shooter's hand and then goes in."

With "no definite knowledge of exactly how much time was on the clock," how are their answers incorrect? In this scenario, a rapid sequence of events, you'd have no idea how much time to put back.

shot, foul--ok, official whistles the foul (shots awarded if outcome of game possibly affected)
buzzer--time expires
ball leaves the shooter's hands--after time has expired, so no basket

What is their error? If I'm missing something--and I'm being sincere, not sarcastic--please tell me what.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by LRZ

This is the situation to which I was replying, MD: "Same situation - no replay - no definite knowledge of exactly how much time was on the clock ... just the order of events - shot starts; foul happens; buzzer sounds; then noticeably after the buzzer --- shot leaves the shooter's hand and then goes in."

With no knowledge of time on the clock, how are their answers incorrect? In this scenario, a rapid sequence of events, you'd have no idea how much time to put back.

shot, foul--ok, official whistles the foul (shots awarded if outcome of game possibly affected)
buzzer--time expires
ball leaves the shooter's hands--after time has expired, so no basket

What is their error? If I'm missing something--and I'm being sincere, not sarcastic--please tell me what.

Ah - I misunderstood that you were taking their answers to the first (which were wrong) and applying them to the second question (where they are now right). got it now.

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Ah - I misunderstood that you were taking their answers to the first (which were wrong) and applying them to the second question (where they are now right). got it now.

Lawyers call this "nunc pro tunc" ("now for then" is the rough translation): the wrong answer then is the right answer now!

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by LRZ

Lawyers call this "nunc pro tunc" ("now for then" is the rough translation): the wrong answer then is the right answer now!

I think I had nunc pro tunc at the Vietnamese Pho place yesterday.

[NoFussRef]

I am thinking this might not apply to OP as it appears to describe a live ball with clock winding down and the shot at .2 seconds remaining.

However, what would your ruling be if this occurred on a throw-in at .2 seconds?

5-2-5 . . . When play is resumed with a throw-in or free throw and three-tenths (. 3) of a second or less remains on the clock, a player may not gain control of the ball and try for a field goal. In this situation only a tap could score.

NOTE: This rule does not apply if the clock does not display tenths of a second.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by NoFussRef

5-2-5 . . . When play is resumed with a throw-in or free throw and three-tenths (. 3) of a second or less remains on the clock, a player may not gain control of the ball and try for a field goal. In this situation only a tap could score.

NOTE: This rule does not apply if the clock does not display tenths of a second.

This rule has absolutely nothing to do with anything we're talking about here.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I think I had nunc pro tunc at the Vietnamese Pho place yesterday.

Nothing like a good Pho Cup for lunch.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by LRZ

This is the situation to which I was replying, MD: "Same situation - no replay - no definite knowledge of exactly how much time was on the clock ... just the order of events - shot starts; foul happens; buzzer sounds; then noticeably after the buzzer --- shot leaves the shooter's hand and then goes in."

With "no definite knowledge of exactly how much time was on the clock," how are their answers incorrect? In this scenario, a rapid sequence of events, you'd have no idea how much time to put back.

shot, foul--ok, official whistles the foul (shots awarded if outcome of game possibly affected)
buzzer--time expires
ball leaves the shooter's hands--after time has expired, so no basket

What is their error? If I'm missing something--and I'm being sincere, not sarcastic--please tell me what.

There is technically an "error" even if it's not something that can be corrected.