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Old Fri Mar 14, 2014, 01:19pm
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Interesting that this topic has just been brought up. Indiana's 3A girl's state final had a situation towards the end of game that had an inadvertent horn during a free throw. The lead official whistle the ball dead while the throw is in the air. He waived off the shot, which I thought at the time was something he didn't have the rules backing for. Here is the link, scroll to 1:41:53 to see the situation.

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Old Fri Mar 14, 2014, 06:01pm
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Interesting that this topic has just been brought up. Indiana's 3A girl's state final had a situation towards the end of game that had an inadvertent horn during a free throw. The lead official whistle the ball dead while the throw is in the air. He waived off the shot, which I thought at the time was something he didn't have the rules backing for. Here is the link, scroll to 1:41:53 to see the situation.

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If the ball is already in flight, he doesn't have rules support to cancel the try! In that particular circumstance, even a whistle would not cancel the try because it is already in flight.
He can stop it before the release.

Here is the NFHS Case Book play providing this principle:

6.7.5 SITUATION:
A1 is at the free-throw line for the second of two attempts. After the ball is at A1's disposal, B1 commits a lane violation. The administering official inadvertently sounds his/her whistle: (a) before A1 starts the free-throw motion; (b) after the ball has been released; or (c) during A1's motion but before release of the ball.

RULING: Whether or not the whistle was sounded inadvertently it has the same result. In (a) and (c), the ball becomes dead immediately. In (b), the whistle does not cause the ball to become dead until the free throw ends. Because B1 violated, in all cases, a substitute throw is awarded if the free-throw attempt by A1 is unsuccessful. (4-20-3)

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Old Fri Mar 14, 2014, 06:57pm
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Just watched the video clip of the Indiana game.
The ball was clearly in the shooter's hands when the horn sounded, but definitely in flight when an official blew his whistle.

This took place following a commercial break on the video, so my guess is that the table person programmed in the media time-out and the last horn was automatic and due to the media break. The officials simply didn't wait long enough for all of the programming to complete before resuming play. Thus the final horn came during the ensuing FT action.

Not a knock on the crew as this happens frequently with State tournament and other televised HS games because the officials are not used to the admin stuff that goes with these contests. There is an art to managing such "events" beyond what is normally done in working a routine HS contest.

PS this is one of two reasons that I don't like gyms in which the TOs are timed via the scoreboard.
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Old Sun Mar 16, 2014, 06:56pm
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Interesting that this topic has just been brought up. Indiana's 3A girl's state final had a situation towards the end of game that had an inadvertent horn during a free throw. The lead official whistle the ball dead while the throw is in the air. He waived off the shot, which I thought at the time was something he didn't have the rules backing for. Here is the link, scroll to 1:41:53 to see the situation.

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Is it normal in NFHS mechanics for the trail to be so high up on FT?
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Old Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:27pm
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Is it normal in NFHS mechanics for the trail to be so high up on FT?
Yes, the C official is in perfect book position.
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