PC, Block or No-Call (video)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by APG

I have a tripping foul on the defender afterward

Really? You think that the defender actively tripped the offensive player while on the ground?
This isn't a college game. Don't apply NCAA rules to the defender!

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Really? You think that the defender actively tripped the offensive player while on the ground?
This isn't a college game. Don't apply NCAA rules to the defender!

What NCAA-specific rule would that be?

NFHS 10-6-1
A player shall not hold, push, charge, trip or impede the progress of an opponent by extending arm(s), shoulder(s), hip(s) or knee(s), or by bending his/her body into other than a normal position; nor use any rough tactics.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

What NCAA-specific rule would that be?

NFHS 10-6-1
A player shall not hold, push, charge, trip or impede the progress of an opponent by extending arm(s), shoulder(s), hip(s) or knee(s), or by bending his/her body into other than a normal position; nor use any rough tactics.

The one which states that a player down on the floor doesn't have LGP (NCAA) as opposed to the NFHS ruling which states that he does have a legal spot and shouldn't be penalized unless he clearly grabs or purposely trips an opponent.

Both rulings have been posted on this forum several times in the past.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The one which states that a player down on the floor doesn't have LGP (NCAA) as opposed to the NFHS ruling which states that he does have a legal spot and shouldn't be penalized unless he clearly grabs or purposely trips an opponent.

Both rulings have been posted on this forum several times in the past.

Forgot. I do that more often now.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

What NCAA-specific rule would that be?

NFHS 10-6-1
A player shall not hold, push, charge, trip or impede the progress of an opponent by extending arm(s), shoulder(s), hip(s) or knee(s), or by bending his/her body into other than a normal position; nor use any rough tactics.

I don't see any of those that this defender did. His foot remained where it was when he had LGP...he didn't extended it or anything.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Really? You think that the defender actively tripped the offensive player while on the ground?
This isn't a college game. Don't apply NCAA rules to the defender!

What a cowardly stance to avoid calling the foul.

B1 trips A1, that is plain as day. B1 wasn't already lying on the floor. And B1's right leg up in air at a 45 degree angle is not a legal guarding position. Please, get real.

PC or Block (trip). A no-call is an incorrect call.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

B1 trips A1, that is plain as day. B1 wasn't already lying on the floor. And B1's right leg up in air at a 45 degree angle is not a legal guarding position. Please, get real.

I see A1 fall because his momentum has taken him through a stationary defender that has LGP. A block/trip would be a brutal call here IMO. Its PC or nothing. Or you could call a bail out travel I guess.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I see A1 fall because his momentum has taken him through a stationary defender that has LGP. A block/trip would be a brutal call here IMO. Its PC or nothing. Or you could call a bail out travel I guess.

That matches my opinion, but BNR doesn't care for it. I'm not going to result to insults though because someone doesn't agree with me.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That matches my opinion, but BNR doesn't care for it. I'm not going to result to insults though because someone doesn't agree with me.

I find that response hilarious. Didn't you invent the use of that word in the forum?

[IUgrad92]

How does one have LGP when his foot is in the crotch of an offensive player?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

How does one have LGP when his foot is in the crotch of an offensive player?

Good question if it were actually in his crotch. IBut, it was no where near his crotch. That foot was on the other side of the player and it didn't touch him...at least not in any way that had any bearing on what happened.

A1 went down because he stepped into B1's foot that was in the exact same spot at is was before B1 started falling backwards. In fact, I think A1's stumble actually had little to do with B1...it was coincidental.

I think this is a perfect example of a play that breaks the two whistles down must have a foul philosophy.

I think each player went to the floor more due to their own actions (flopping/embellishment and clumsiness) than the actions of their opponent. I don't think either player disadvantaged the other one.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I find that response hilarious. Didn't you invent the use of that word in the forum?

Yes, he did.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Yes, he did.

In fact, he is the reason I have that phrase under my name...LOL

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What a cowardly stance to avoid calling the foul.

B1 trips A1, that is plain as day. B1 wasn't already lying on the floor. And B1's right leg up in air at a 45 degree angle is not a legal guarding position. Please, get real.

PC or Block (trip). A no-call is an incorrect call.

I agree with this description. B1's flop causes his right leg/foot to go in between A1's legs causing him to trip and fall. Two bodies on the floor in this particular plays needs a whistle, one way or the other.

Although L rotated pretty well, he didn't get positioned the way he needs to. He needs to be positioned 45 degrees towards the paint, not parallel to the baseline. Shoot, you could almost argue he's angled to some degree towards the sideline! One more step 'out' and getting 45 degrees could have given him a much clearer angle on this play.