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Old Sat Mar 01, 2014, 03:11pm
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Foul on the Front End

Before my varsity games last night, a situation happened in the JV game that I have never considered before. Team A fouls Team B on a hand check, which is the 7th of the 1st half. B1 goes to the line for a 1-and-1. Ball hits the front of the rim, backboard, and falls, so about a 1 second delay between when the free throw restrictions end, and when the ball actually goes through the hoop. During this time, A1 fouls B2 while grappling for rebounding position. So now we have an 8th foul which should result in a bonus, but also have the 2nd shot of the original 1-and-1 to shoot! I've never seen that, and I guess I don't really have much of a question here, just a rare situation. The only question I wasn't sure about is should you clear the lanes for the 2nd free throw from B1? Just seems odd to shoot a free throw with no rebounding opportunity, then switch shooters and do it again with players on the lane.
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It's odd but that's how it should be handled. This is a false multiple (edit) foul situation so each foul carries it's own penalty.
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Old Sat Mar 01, 2014, 03:58pm
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It's odd but that's how it should be handled. This is a false double foul situation so each foul carries it's own penalty.

This is a False Multiple Foul: Both fouls were by members of Team A.

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Old Sat Mar 01, 2014, 05:23pm
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This is a False Multiple Foul: Both fouls were by members of Team A.

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My mistake. I was typing a little too fast on the first entry. I changed it.
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Old Sat Mar 01, 2014, 05:58pm
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My mistake. I was typing a little too fast on the first entry. I changed it.
I didn't help that the OP used A for the defensive team when A is traditionally the offensive team.
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I didn't help that the OP used A for the defensive team when A is traditionally the offensive team.
JetMetFan is a nonconformist, a rebel, just like me. In fact, next time I post a situation, I'll have Team C as the offensive team, and Team D as the defensive team. Team A, and Team B, are getting boring. Same old. Same old. Yawn.
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Old Sat Mar 01, 2014, 06:12pm
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This is a False Multiple Foul: Both fouls were by members of Team A.

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And I didn't mention this in the OP, but after the 2nd foul was called, the coach earned himself a T. (A false multiple x 3!) So what actually happened is there were 5 straight free throws shot by 3 different shooters, all with the lane cleared. The T actually made the administration of the foul shots a heck of a lot easier.
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It's not a false multiple times anything in your case after the T. It's just a T as the final call and as we do we administer all punishments in order so the T goes last.
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It's not a false multiple times anything in your case after the T. It's just a T as the final call and as we do we administer all punishments in order so the T goes last.
Are you saying the T isn't part of the false multiple? If so, it actually is. Any set of fouls that occur with the same time on the clock make up a false something, either multiple or double. And all false multiple/double fouls, whether 2 or 10 have their penalties administered in the order of occurrence.
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Old Sun Mar 02, 2014, 03:27am
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Are you saying the T isn't part of the false multiple?
No, he's saying the whole thing is called a false multiple foul. Not 3 false multiples.

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(A false multiple x 3!)
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No, he's saying the whole thing is called a false multiple foul. Not 3 false multiples.
That was one of the possibilities I had considered when I phrased my response as a question rather than a statement.
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No, he's saying the whole thing is called a false multiple foul. Not 3 false multiples.
This one.
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The whole mess is a FMF, but it is actually two FMF strung to together.

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i'll remember all this the next time i take the nfhs rules test, but until then idga(insert letter here). :d
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