Intentional or Common, 2 plays (video)

[Rich]

Unless the defender in the first video did something extra with the right hand, I have common fouls on both.

I couldn't imagine calling an INT for a player only getting caught in the air and landing on the shooter. What goes up must come down.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Rich

I couldn't imagine calling an INT for a player only getting caught in the air and landing on the shooter. What goes up must come down.

Landing on him isn't the issue IMO, it's the swiping down of his arm and hitting the shooter in the head and neck with force.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Landing on him isn't the issue IMO, it's the swiping down of his arm and hitting the shooter in the head and neck with force.

Agree.

It's the fact that his right arm wraps up the head/neck area of the shooter as he is coming down that makes it INT, imho.

Second one looks pretty common, but as others have said, I can see it going INT based on the earlier call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Agree.

It's the fact that his right arm wraps up the head/neck area of the shooter as he is coming down that makes it INT, imho.

Second one looks pretty common, but as others have said, I can see it going INT based on the earlier call.

Count me in this camp. #2 is a bit excessive, but by itself it's a quick chat with the defender.

[CountTheBasket]

Originally Posted by Rich

Unless the defender in the first video did something extra with the right hand, I have common fouls on both.

I couldn't imagine calling an INT for a player only getting caught in the air and landing on the shooter. What goes up must come down.

I agree with that 100%, but it looks like he may wrap up the shooter and pull him to the floor to stop him from getting the shot off. Like it was stated above the L probably saw more than we could from his angle.

2nd foul looks common to me, as others have stated unless it needed to go INT because of something earlier in the game.

[#olderthanilook]

I wouldn't classify either foul as "intentional". They both probably looked worse in real time than they do on replay, though.

[MD Longhorn]

Common on 1; Int on 2.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Common on 1; Int on 2.

You're a funny dude.

[HawkeyeCubP]

1. Intentional.
2. Common.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CountTheBasket

I agree with that 100%, but it looks like he may wrap up the shooter and pull him to the floor to stop him from getting the shot off. Like it was stated above the L probably saw more than we could from his angle.

2nd foul looks common to me, as others have stated unless it needed to go INT because of something earlier in the game.

Of course he put his arms out, he is falling. And I do not feel that is what brought the shooter on the floor. The defender made a bad decision to jump up and the shooter was waiting for him to come down and tries to cause the contact or help the contact. I see this play often and would almost never consider it intentional.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Common on both for me.

I do think that both need to be ruled the same in that game.

Play 1: Intentional

Play 2: Common foul

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by CountTheBasket

I agree with that 100%, but it looks like he may wrap up the shooter and pull him to the floor to stop him from getting the shot off. Like it was stated above the L probably saw more than we could from his angle.

2nd foul looks common to me, as others have stated unless it needed to go INT because of something earlier in the game.

Yep...I have an INT on the first for that very reason.

I have a common on the 2nd.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yep...I have an INT on the first for that very reason.

I have a common on the 2nd.

I agree with these responses.
On the first play it seems that the defender got into a tough spot and became afraid that he was going to fall hard so he grabbed the offensive player in whatever manner he could to prevent his own hard landing. That grabbing turned out to be around the head and neck, which dragged down the offensive player.
The fact is that this was excessive contact caused by the defender. It doesn't matter that he may have been trying to prevent his own awkward fall. Too bad. He is the one who decided to jump and put himself in that spot.

The second play is just a regular foul while trying to block a shot, even though the defender is fouling from behind. Going intentional here seems to be an overreaction.