Reset the clock?

[Sharpshooternes]

On jump ball to start the game, A1 possess the ball with their initial touch and passes to a teammate. At the time of the whistle, the clock shows 7:58. Should a change be made so that the clock is back at 8:00 as the initial touch which should start the clock caused the violation or should some time come off so the clock should actually read 759 or do you leave it? Please site a rule or case play for support.
Thanks

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

On jump ball to start the game, A1 possess the ball with their initial touch and passes to a teammate. At the time of the whistle, the clock shows 7:58. Should a change be made so that the clock is back at 8:00 as the initial touch which should start the clock caused the violation ...

Clock starts with a legal touch.

5-9-2: If play is started or resumed by a jump, the clock shall be started
when the tossed ball is legally touched.

Reset to 8:00.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Clock starts with a legal touch.

5-9-2: If play is started or resumed by a jump, the clock shall be started
when the tossed ball is legally touched.

Reset to 8:00.

No, Billy. The touch itself is legal as it is not a punch or a kick.
The fact that the catching of the ball violates the restrictions of the jump ball causes an infraction and a whistle.
Therefore, the clock properly starts on the touch and stops on the whistle for the violation. Leave the clock at 7:58.

This situation is analogous to a throw-in in which the player receiving the pass is standing with a foot on a boundary line. The touch is legal, but the contact with the boundary is not. The game clock should start and then stop.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

No, Billy. The touch itself is legal as it is not a punch or a kick.
The fact that the catching of the ball violates the restrictions of the jump ball causes an infraction and a whistle.
Therefore, the clock properly starts on the touch and stops on the whistle for the violation. Leave the clock at 7:58.

Right, or wrong, we've always (33 years, which, by itself, doesn't make it right) reset the clock when a jumper hits the ball on the way up. It figured that the same applied it one of the jumpers caught the ball instead of tapping it, although I've never actually seen the play.

Nevadaref: Your answer sounds good, but I'd like to hear others' opinions.

[Rich]

I'd reset the clock if he catches the toss. If he tips it and then catches it, I'd leave the clock where it's stopped.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

... a throw-in in which the player receiving the pass is standing with a foot on a boundary line. The touch is legal, but the contact with the boundary is not. The game clock should start and then stop.

So if the throwin doesn't touch anything except the wall, the clock should start? Or what if it hits a coach? Or a fan? Or an out of bounds official? Why does hitting a player out of bounds make the starting, or not starting, of the clock any different?

7-1-2: The ball is out of bounds:
a. When it touches or is touched by:
1. A player who is out of bounds.
2. Any other person, the floor, or any object on or outside a boundary.
3. The supports or back of the backboard.
4. The ceiling, overhead equipment or supports.

5-9-4: If play is resumed by a throw-in, the clock shall be started when the
ball touches, or is legally touched by, a player on the court after it is released by
the thrower.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

If he tips it and then catches it, I'd leave the clock where it's stopped.

Because it's a legal tip.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

No, Billy. The touch itself is legal as it is not a punch or a kick.
The fact that the catching of the ball violates the restrictions of the jump ball causes an infraction and a whistle.
Therefore, the clock properly starts on the touch and stops on the whistle for the violation. Leave the clock at 7:58.

This situation is analogous to a throw-in in which the player receiving the pass is standing with a foot on a boundary line. The touch is legal, but the contact with the boundary is not. The game clock should start and then stop.

Nevada, how is the touch legal? The jumper grabbed the ball with two hands. My understanding is that this is illegal.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Nevada, how is the touch legal? The jumper grabbed the ball with two hands. My understanding is that this is illegal.

In most cases the player will have touched the ball prior to grasping the ball.

[APG]

Put me in the camp of resetting it to 8:00

[just another ref]

I have never seen a jumper "possess the ball with the initial touch." I see that as practically impossible to do on a properly tossed ball.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I have never seen a jumper "possess the ball with the initial touch." I see that as practically impossible to do on a properly tossed ball.

I've seen both jumpers initially miss the ball on the first jump...then one of the jumpers catch the ball on the way down.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by APG

I've seen both jumpers initially miss the ball on the first jump...then one of the jumpers catch the ball on the way down.

I've seen that, too. Often because the toss was too high or was before the jumpers were ready.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I've seen that, too. Often because the toss was too high or was before the jumpers were ready.

No such thing as "too high." That just means they didn't time their jump properly.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

No such thing as "too high."

Strictly speaking there isn't, but if it hits the ceiling, it's too high.