Dead ball contact

[Adam]

Contact doesn't have to be "intentional" to be an intentional foul. IMO, this "unless" provision should also include excessive contact. Not saying you situation would have qualified, but it could have.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

... As I said, I only considered doing something because at the time my partners seemed like they had no idea what to do. This suspicion was confirmed when we were in the locker room and they said they had no idea.

No idea what happened or no idea what to do?

There's a big difference and you haven't given solid statement as to what your partners said about the situation.

Originally Posted by johnny d

you are only compounding the problem by making stuff up and guessing. Your feelings are not what matters.

I would say my feelings did matter. Based on my limited play calling intuition I felt that something big had happened, and I felt that something should have been called, despite my limited view of what happened. My gut said call something, my mind said don't guess. How would you have chosen?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I would say my feelings did matter. Based on my limited play calling intuition I felt that something big had happened, and I felt that something should have been called, despite my limited view of what happened. My gut said call something, my mind said don't guess. How would you have chosen?

If I didn't see it clearly, I wouldn't have made the call. Make a note to be more aware of that sort of action in the future and learn from the situation. That gut instinct is probably right, but maybe B1 was just protecting himself from a pending collision with A1.

If coach asks, tell him you were focused on the foul you called and didn't get a clear look at the ancillary action.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I would say my feelings did matter. Based on my limited play calling intuition I felt that something big had happened, and I felt that something should have been called, despite my limited view of what happened. My gut said call something, my mind said don't guess. How would you have chosen?

Sorry, but I have to disagree here. If you didn't see what happened, which you said several times you didn't, you can't just call something because you think something happened. If you don't see it, leave it alone. That's what you have partners for.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I would say my feelings did matter. Based on my limited play calling intuition I felt that something big had happened, and I felt that something should have been called, despite my limited view of what happened. My gut said call something, my mind said don't guess. How would you have chosen?

Never call what you think or feel. Call what you know. Usually that means taking emotion out of the equation.

[Scooby]

Originally Posted by johnny d

1. Under what circumstances would you call a technical foul, or any type of foul for that matter, without definite knowledge as to what actually occurred?

Without clear knowledge I do not call anything. I do not want to be guessing on a technical foul.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by AremRed

First half, I am Trail opposite. 5 seconds left in the first half. Black takes the sideline inbound pass and drives up the court. B1 beats his primary defender, A1. A1 runs to catch up, and tries to swat the ball away from B1. A1 fouls B1 on the arm, who loses the ball. Clock stops at .9 seconds. After my whistle A1 keeps running past B1 and runs into B2 who is at the 3 point line. I cannot see B2 because I am being screened by B1. There is contact between A1 and B2 and A1 ends up on the floor. I hold my original foul call and look to my partners to see if they saw what led to the contact between A1 and B2. We don't gather, and after a few seconds I simply take the 1st foul to the table. At halftime I asked my partners and neither of them saw whether B2 set a legal screen that A1 ran into, or if B2 gave A1 a forearm (which is what A1 was claiming). Neither coach gave me any problems when I reported the foul, and we administered the bonus with B1 shooting.

Absent knowledge of how the dead-ball contact between A1 and B2 occurred, was I right to not call a technical? I felt that B1 was a secondary screener -- would this dead ball contact be Lead's call?

Not being a smarty pants but for situational purposes A is on offense and B is on defense when describing.