Dead ball contact

[Adam]

Where was the collision?

Originally Posted by Adam

Where was the collision?

Originally Posted by AremRed

After my whistle A1 keeps running past B1 and runs into B2 who is at the 3 point line.

I was Trail, Lead was at the end line, C was at FTLE tableside. I was behind and to the side of my primary matchup, following the dribbler and his primary defender. Contact between A1 and B2 occurred right outside the 3 point line, about 2/3 of the way from the sideline to the nearer lane line.

[Raymond]

They knew what to do. They did nothing because they didn't see anything.

In the future everyone needs to have better dead ball awareness. When I see players continuing action after the whistle, I toot my whistle loudly to get them to stop.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

They knew what to do. They did nothing because they didn't see anything.

In the future everyone needs to have better dead ball awareness. When I see players continuing action after the whistle, I toot my whistle loudly to get them to stop.

Correct. And absent them seeing anything I was considering making a call based on a guess, a gut feeling. Sounds like a made an ok no-call. Hopefully I'll stop thinking about it now.

[j51969]

I am assuming this was a JV or V contest. Why don't you call the AD at the school and ask for a copy of the game. I will often bring a blank CD / self addressed envelope with postage with me to games. More often than not the AD, head coach, or athletic dept are more than happy to mail me a copy. You want some good constructive critism wait until you see yourself on video.

Here is the video. A couple plays here:

Play 1: Blocked shot
Play 2: Block/charge play
Play 3: Dead ball contact

I am Trail.

[Raymond]

1) Clean block

2) Block or nothing

3) Collision happened so fast after the whistle, it's hard to tell. Offensive player was going set a pick then turned after hearing whistle. If anything, I go to him and said, "You might have got away with one right there, but we'll be watching for anything else"

[bob jenkins]

I have nothing on all three plays.

[JRutledge]

1. Clean Block.

2. Nothing.

3. Probably nothing, but I would have to know the context of the game. Was this a trouble maker or was this just the first time this type of contact took place? I might talk to the player as well, but doubt that alone would be a foul.

Peace

[APG]

1. Looks clean

2. Blocking foul

3. Nothing in of itself...game situation might dictate otherwise.

I agree with APG that the block/charge play needs a whistle. Why do you other guys say no-call?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I agree with APG that the block/charge play needs a whistle. Why do you other guys say no-call?

To me, A1 was going to land on the floor regardless of the slight contact with B1.

Could it be a foul? Yes. But is a no-call here the worse thing in the world? Nope.

[BayStateRef]

For me, the video is not about whether the call should have been made (you already said neither you nor your partners saw it.) It is this: what can I do the next time to be sure I see the illegal dead ball contact?

I think you and your partners were all doing their job well. Sometimes, stuff happens. The C, who might be in best position, can't see it because he is screened by other players...and has the back of the play. The lead is hustling to get ahead of the play, is properly looking back, but is not in any great position to see the off-ball contact. And you -- who might have the best view -- are watching the play up the sidelines.

Your original question, before the video was posted, was "What do you do when you feel there is a illegal dead ball contact, but you have not seen it?"

Even with this single video angle, I cannot say for sure that B2 used his forearm to send A1 to the ground. It probably happened...but the video does not "prove it."

As others have said....don't call what you didn't see. And don't sweat this one any more. You and your partners did all that is expected of you.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by AremRed

First half, I am Trail opposite. 5 seconds left in the first half. Black takes the sideline inbound pass and drives up the court. B1 beats his primary defender, A1. A1 runs to catch up, and tries to swat the ball away from B1. A1 fouls B1 on the arm, who loses the ball. Clock stops at .9 seconds. After my whistle A1 keeps running past B1 and runs into B2 who is at the 3 point line. I cannot see B2 because I am being screened by B1. There is contact between A1 and B2 and A1 ends up on the floor. I hold my original foul call and look to my partners to see if they saw what led to the contact between A1 and B2. We don't gather, and after a few seconds I simply take the 1st foul to the table. At halftime I asked my partners and neither of them saw whether B2 set a legal screen that A1 ran into, or if B2 gave A1 a forearm (which is what A1 was claiming). Neither coach gave me any problems when I reported the foul, and we administered the bonus with B1 shooting.

Absent knowledge of how the dead-ball contact between A1 and B2 occurred, was I right to not call a technical? I felt that B1 was a secondary screener -- would this dead ball contact be Lead's call?

Not being a smarty pants but for situational purposes A is on offense and B is on defense when describing.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I agree with APG that the block/charge play needs a whistle. Why do you other guys say no-call?

I do not see displacement, I see a guy fly by a defender mostly. There might be slight contact, but nothing caused by the defender.

Peace