T or Intentional?

[APG]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

So if the shot from the OP would have missed and stayed in play and the action played out the same the correct call would have been an intentional foul, with a determination needing to be made of whether the contact was flagrant (player ejection)? But really, whether you call technical or intentional its just semantics because the penalty is the same in this case? Both count towards team fouls, both result in two shots plus ball. Am I missing something?

Who shoots the free throws and where you put the ball back in play.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

So if the shot from the OP would have missed and stayed in play and the action played out the same the correct call would have been an intentional foul, with a determination needing to be made of whether the contact was flagrant (player ejection)? But really, whether you call technical or intentional its just semantics because the penalty is the same in this case? Both count towards team fouls, both result in two shots plus ball. Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing a lot of somethings.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by APG

Who shoots the free throws and where you put the ball back in play.

Ahh, there it is, thanks APG.
Thanks for your help too Johnny.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Ahh, there it is.
Thanks for your help too Johnny.

OK. If you call a T, anyone can shoot the FTs that is available to play, whether in the game or on the bench and you put the ball always at the division line (unless you have a double T where POI is applied).

If you have an intentional foul that is not associated with a T that only would involve dead ball contact. That is why Bob said earlier these are not mutually exclusive. But if this is a live ball called intentional foul (and you cannot have a live ball T for contact) then the ball goes to the spot of the foul and only the offended player can shoot.

Maybe that helps?

Peace

[johnny d]

Also, the player will be ejected from the game if they receive 2 technical fouls. In Illinois, a player that is ejected for getting 2 technical fouls has to sit the next game as well. They can commit 5 intentional personal fouls before they are forced to leave the game. Apparently the difference between personal fouls and technical fouls is a little more significant than semantics.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Maybe that helps?

Yes, thanks. I understood from APG's response, but thanks for spelling it out. These are the types of discussions I like to hang around this board for, I'm relatively new to this, so thanks for humoring me.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

whether you call technical or intentional its just semantics

Disagree, and even if it were it pays (imo) to use the correct terms amongst officials and with others -- it will help your understanding of the rules and the nuances involved.

(I am not saying to "correct" a coach if s/he uses the wrong term and we know what s/he meant).

[refiator]

Just a thought… How about a delay warning to avoid a Technical?

[APG]

Originally Posted by refiator

Just a thought… How about a delay warning to avoid a Technical?

How do you get a DOG warning out of this? For NFHS, there are only 4 situations of which you can call a DOG warning.

[refiator]

I missed the "shove" in the original post. Gotta be a "T'.