The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
You Decide (Clip) You Decide (Clip)
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
Page 1 of 2 1 2
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 07:45am
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: PG County, MD
Posts: 412
Defender did not establish LGP before contact ... block.
__________________
You learn something new everyday ...
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 08:06am
Administrator
  
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 8,141
The R1 has most certainly obtained (NFHS)/established (NCAA and FIBA) a LGP against W1 and is moving to maintain it. The fact that R1 has turned to absorb the contact from the W1 does not matter. Nor does it matter that R1 is moving when contact occurred; when contact occurred R1 was not moving obliquely into A1 at the time of contact.

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 08:10am
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: West Orange, NJ
Posts: 2,583
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. View Post
The R1 has most certainly obtained (NFHS)/established (NCAA and FIBA) a LGP against W1 and is moving to maintain it. The fact that R1 has turned to absorb the contact from the W1 does not matter. Nor does it matter that R1 is moving when contact occurred; when contact occurred R1 was not moving obliquely into A1 at the time of contact.

MTD, Sr.
In MTDS I trust.

R1 established LGP - two feet on the floor and the front of her torso facing her opponent - about :04 into the clip. W1 just happened to be about 20 feet away from her at the time.
__________________
"Everyone has a purpose in life, even if it's only to serve as a bad example."
"If Opportunity knocks and he's not home, Opportunity waits..."
"Don't you have to be stupid somewhere else?" "Not until 4."
"The NCAA created this mess, so let them live with it." (JRutledge)
Last edited by JetMetFan; Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 08:12am.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 08:14am
Administrator
  
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 8,141
Quote:
Originally Posted by JetMetFan View Post
In MTDS I trust.

R1 established LGP - two feet on the floor and the front of her torso facing her opponent - about :04 into the clip. W1 just happened to be about 20 feet away from her at the time.

Thank you. I will put the check in the afternoon mail.

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 08:19am
Courageous When Prudent
  
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 14,950
Block!!! B1 didn't turn away to absorb contact, B1 turned INTO A1 to create the contact.
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 09:59am
Esteemed Participant
  
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 4,775
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef View Post
Block!!! B1 didn't turn away to absorb contact, B1 turned INTO A1 to create the contact.
Agree.

Defender created the contact with her shoulder.

Block.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 08:38am
APG APG is offline
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,889
Quote:
Originally Posted by JetMetFan View Post
In MTDS I trust.

R1 established LGP - two feet on the floor and the front of her torso facing her opponent - about :04 into the clip. W1 just happened to be about 20 feet away from her at the time.
Disagree. IMO, the defender's torso is not facing the defender but rather facing the sideline. As such, defender the defender never got LGP.
__________________
Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, given a chance to climb, they refuse. They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions.

Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 08:42am
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 18,191
I don't think she had LGP, but it isn't always required.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 09:07am
Go Blue
  
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 84
Quote:
Originally Posted by APG View Post
Disagree. IMO, the defender's torso is not facing the defender but rather facing the sideline. As such, defender the defender never got LGP.
I agree, when the dribbler is at the foul line extended, the defender has both feet on the line with the blocks facing the sideline, not the dribbler. I have a block.
__________________
"Well, what part of SUDDEN DEATH didn't you understand?" Feng Balls of Fury
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 09:47am
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 18
Pc
Player Control foul...W1 displaced and went thru torso of R1 while she had LGP...Agree with MTD
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 10:00am
Stubborn Member
  
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 1,517
I definitely don't see the defender gaining LGP. And even if she did get LGP, she turns INTO the shooter. I thought this upon the first viewing, and after the fifth time I still believe it.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:07pm
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 276
Block all the way! R1 was moving diagonally across the lane and INTO W1's path. She did not establish LGP before the contact so it has to be a block.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 10:32am
Official Forum Member
  
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: A little east of there.
Posts: 650
NFHS
Rule: 4-23-2
ART. 2
To obtain an initial legal guarding position:
a. The guard must have both feet touching the playing court.
b. The front of the guard's torso must be facing the opponent.

Both defender's feet were definitely touching the playing court (direction of toes does not matter). However, her torso was not facing the opponent. Therefore, I have a BLOCK, not PC.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:29pm
AremRed
Guest
  
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by JetMetFan View Post
In MTDS I trust.

R1 established LGP - two feet on the floor and the front of her torso facing her opponent - about :04 into the clip. W1 just happened to be about 20 feet away from her at the time.
Don't forget the "in the path" component I learned recently. I don't see the defender in the path until a second or two before contact, and then she is not directly facing the dribbler. The defender is sidestepping the whole way. Additionally, I think I see a bit of forward contact right as the defender stops, which would negate any LGP if she did have it. Offensive player is under control the whole way, block.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JetMetFan View Post
*30% speed with freezes at the moments it appears B1 establishes LGP both before and after A1 has the ball.
Both times you freeze it I don't see the B1 in A1's path at all.
Last edited by AremRed; Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 12:32pm.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 01:04pm
wife loves the goatee...
  
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: The Beach
Posts: 255
Pc
Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Bookmarks

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Duke-Vermont Video Clip Request (Clip Added) The_Rookie Basketball 16 Mon Nov 25, 2013 02:40pm
Let the players decide.... Andy Softball 5 Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:16am
Need Help! Can't decide UKCATSFAN Baseball 11 Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:28pm
So What Did We Decide? Or Did We? refnrev Basketball 4 Sun Oct 15, 2006 09:22pm
Co-incidence? You decide... rainmaker Basketball 6 Mon May 30, 2005 06:17pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:30pm.

The Official Forum - Archive - Top


Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1