What Are You Gonna Do?

I'm gonna congratulate him for not perpetuating rules myths. And I'm probably heading to the sideline to deal with an angry coach who thinks the opposing player can't stand there.

[NCHSAA]

I know the rule, however I also realized the player has no business being that close. There is no rebounding opportunity and you could tell he was trying to create trouble on the play.

I want to adhere to the rule, but I also want to manage the game.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

I know the rule, however I also realized the player has no business being that close. There is no rebounding opportunity and you could tell he was trying to create trouble on the play.

I want to adhere to the rule, but I also want to manage the game.

"You know, if you're there, it's likely disconcertion and s/he gets another FT?"

If you think what he was doing is unsporting, then deal with it. Otherwise, it's legal.

Either way, it will require all your game management skills (because someone on one side is not going to be happy).

[frezer11]

Let me further the scenario: Say the kid that's just behind the 3 point line is the one who got the technical foul for screaming "F--- You" at the kid who is not shooting. Does this change how anyone deals with the situation?

I realize it isn't in the book that he can't stand there, but if you know his sole purpose is to intimidate the shooter, then how is that not an unsporting act? And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying give him a T, I'm saying you need to move him diplomatically if possible. If you're the trail, call him over and have a pointless conversation or SOMETHING to get him to move. This isn't in the rule book, it's just good game management to prevent another possible bad scenario after one that has already occurred.

[BatteryPowered]

Let's assume this kid is wearing number 12.

I get close enough for him to hear me and say "Number 12" and when he looks I beckon him over and say "You know, it appears things are getting a bit chippy and from what I have seen so far you are a leader of this team. Think you can help me get everyone focused on just playing basketball so we don't have a parade to the line shooting technicals?"

It may be total BS, but you moved him out of the way and avoided a possible escalation...made it obvious to him that the crew is watching EVERYONE...made him feel important and may have just saved the entire crew some grief. It might not work as the kid may ignore you, but it is worth a shot.

[MD Longhorn]

So .. player does something completely legal and isn't otherwise breaking any rule... and is completely out of the visual range of the shooter.

What am I going to do? Absolutely nothing.

[j51969]

If the home team is shooting I can't imagine this would even be an issue. Does he have eye's in the back of his head? If its the visiting team shooting, my guess is the fans are giving him a hell of a lot more than someone standing 6ft behind him. Did this become an issue with a coach, or was this just an observation on your part?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

Let's assume this kid is wearing number 12.

I get close enough for him to hear me and say "Number 12" and when he looks I beckon him over and say "You know, it appears things are getting a bit chippy and from what I have seen so far you are a leader of this team. Think you can help me get everyone focused on just playing basketball so we don't have a parade to the line shooting technicals?"

It may be total BS, but you moved him out of the way and avoided a possible escalation...made it obvious to him that the crew is watching EVERYONE...made him feel important and may have just saved the entire crew some grief. It might not work as the kid may ignore you, but it is worth a shot.

You've just moved him within the peripheral vision of the shooter, too.

[BatteryPowered]

Originally Posted by Adam

You've just moved him within the peripheral vision of the shooter, too.

Not if, while he is moving to you, you backup enough so that he is not.

Sometimes it might be safe to assume that people are not as dumb as a box of rocks when reading their post. Some of us are smart enough to think of those things and are hoping the readers are smart enough to understand that not every action in a hypothetical situation needs to be written. For example, I failed to mention that the brief conversation should occur while the official is standing so that he can see the other players and that he/she should continue breathing during the stoppage in play.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by frezer11

Let me further the scenario: Say the kid that's just behind the 3 point line is the one who got the technical foul for screaming "F--- You" at the kid who is not shooting. Does this change how anyone deals with the situation?

I realize it isn't in the book that he can't stand there, but if you know his sole purpose is to intimidate the shooter, then how is that not an unsporting act? And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying give him a T, I'm saying you need to move him diplomatically if possible. If you're the trail, call him over and have a pointless conversation or SOMETHING to get him to move. This isn't in the rule book, it's just good game management to prevent another possible bad scenario after one that has already occurred.

I disagree. Chances are, if he's standing there, he's doing it on purpose because he knows he can. There's no reason for him to be anywhere else, either, and the rules don't give us any reason to address his position. If he does or says anything unsporting, address that, but his position? I'm not touching it. Either way a coach is going to be mad, but I'd rather not have to deal with one who's mad AND right.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by frezer11

Say the kid that's just behind the 3 point line is the one who got the technical foul for screaming "F--- You" at the kid who is not shooting. Does this change how anyone deals with the situation?

frezer11:

B1 is not going to be there because "F-bombs" are FTFs in my game.

MTD, Sr.

[Remington]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

frezer11:

B1 is not going to be there because "F-bombs" are FTFs in my game.

MTD, Sr.

MTD, Sr. ~ In the scenerio above, where a player looks at a player (or official/coach) and says "F____ You" towards them I would also have a FTF, but do you actually differentiate between profane words and penalize differently whether it is an F-bomb (FTF) or other profane term (TF)? Many times I have had a player have a turnover and say "ahh F____" and I give them a TF. I can't imagine trying to justify my differentiation of words/terms other than the way it is stated.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Remington

MTD, Sr. ~ In the scenerio above, where a player looks at a player (or official/coach) and says "F____ You" towards them I would also have a FTF, but do you actually differentiate between profane words and penalize differently whether it is an F-bomb (FTF) or other profane term (TF)? Many times I have had a player have a turnover and say "ahh F____" and I give them a TF. I can't imagine trying to justify my differentiation of words/terms other than the way it is stated.

Let me put it this way. My late father was a carpenter for 53 years and I am a retired structural design engineer and worked my way through engineering school as a construction worker. Meaning if you have straight hair, I can verbally curl it; if you have curly hair I can verbally straighten it, because I have been on construction sites all of my life and you get us to the crude language that is sometimes heard on construction sites. You get my drift.

That said, the F-word is an automatic FTF when I am calling JrHS, HS, college, and youth basketball games. That has been my position for the 43 years that I have officiated basketball and the soon to be 22 years of umpiring HS and youth baseball and fast pitch softball.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

I know the rule, however I also realized the player has no business being that close. There is no rebounding opportunity and you could tell he was trying to create trouble on the play.

I want to adhere to the rule, but I also want to manage the game.

NCHSAA:

Who says he canNOT be there? I do not care what he was trying to do while standing there as long as he does not Disconcert the Shooter or commit an Unsportsmanlike TF.

Just do NOT go there.

MTD, Sr.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

NCHSAA:

Who says he canNOT be there? I do not care what he was trying to do while standing there as long as he does not Disconcert the Shooter or commit an Unsportsmanlike TF.

Just do NOT go there.

MTD, Sr.

Really. Why does he have no business being there? That question has no answer -- it's NONE OF MY BUSINESS.