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[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Player A1 stands holding the ball with both feet on the floor. I'm on his left side. He leans toward me, faking a pass, and may or may not have lifted his right foot briefly before returning it to his original position. B1 bites on the fake and lunges for a steal. B1 now lifts his left foot, steps forward, and puts it down. He then follows with the right foot, lifts it, steps forward, and puts it down before shooting a 3. Are you telling me I can't call this a travel because I don't know which foot was the pivot in this situation?

Regardless of whether or not A1 lifted his right foot while faking the pass, he proceeds to lift and put down both of his feet before shooting. Therefore you know it was a travel, and can explain the call to the coach.

If the player would only have traveled had he lifted his right foot during the fake pass, and you don't know if he did, then you shouldn't make the call. You can only call what you see. If you don't see him lift the foot, then you shouldn't assume it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Regardless of whether or not A1 lifted his right foot while faking the pass, he proceeds to lift and put down both of his feet before shooting. Therefore you know it was a travel, and can explain the call to the coach.

If the player would only have traveled had he lifted his right foot during the fake pass, and you don't know if he did, then you shouldn't make the call. You can only call what you see. If you don't see him lift the foot, then you shouldn't assume it.

I'm not suggesting that you assume anything. I was just giving an example which shows that a travel can be called without knowing which foot was the pivot.

When a player leaves point A and ends up at point B with one foot followed by the other, this is a travel, whether you saw which foot was first or not. This is not something that happens a lot, but, in varying degrees it happens. If you only call a travel when you can exactly retrace every step, you probably aren't calling enough.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I don't understand why we make this so difficult: Pivot foot up + pivot foot down = travel.

That said, the first time I had a move like this was two years ago at camp. I was the trail, and was so dumbfounded by it, I froze in silence. The camp director was right there to rightly give me an earful.

An earful about what? How he doesn't call it in his games either?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by zm1283

An earful about what? How he doesn't call it in his games either?

What makes you so certain that he doesn't call it?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bainsey

What makes you so certain that he doesn't call it?

He's been to enough camps to know?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Rich

He's been to enough camps to know?

He knows for a fact that this specific camp director, not knowing a name or anything, doesn't practice what he preaches? That's one hell of a clairvoyant talent.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bainsey

What makes you so certain that he doesn't call it?

Originally Posted by bainsey

He knows for a fact that this specific camp director, not knowing a name or anything, doesn't practice what he preaches? That's one hell of a clairvoyant talent.

Sarcasm alert.