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[OKREF]

Travel

What's the odds that one person says it isn't?

[Adam]

Travel

[Raymond]

I call those illegal spin moves travels more than most officials I work with, but I still miss them sometimes. I work both HS and college schedules. So are we going to blame D1 officials for me missing it when I do?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I call those illegal spin moves travels more than most officials I work with, but I still miss them sometimes. I work both HS and college schedules. So are we going to blame D1 officials for me missing it when I do?

No matter who you are, if you missed this play, I blame you. This is easy to see from any angle, from any distance. I knew he was going to travel before he traveled. Somebody find me a couple of spin moves by a player attacking the basket where a travel is correctly called and I'll drop the assertion that they are being deliberately ignored........maybe.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

... Somebody find me a couple of spin moves by a player attacking the basket where a travel is correctly called and I'll drop the assertion that they are being deliberately ignored........maybe.

Does this include HS games where they are missed regularly, but are not replayed on ESPN?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Does this include HS games where they are missed regularly, but are not replayed on ESPN?

Yes, it does. Why wouldn't it? At any level, there is no excuse for the travel in the OP to be missed. Do you disagree with that?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Yes, it does. Why wouldn't it? At any level, there is no excuse for the travel in the OP to be missed. Do you disagree with that?

I believe it was my BV assignor who told us a few years ago that it's extremely difficult for players to do a spin move like this one legally, especially in HS. That doesn't mean I call travels on all of them but at least the antenna are up whenever I see one.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I call those illegal spin moves travels more than most officials I work with, but I still miss them sometimes. I work both HS and college schedules. So are we going to blame D1 officials for me missing it when I do?

Why not? Can you think of a better scapegoat?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Travel

What's the odds that one person says it isn't?

I have better odds that people like yourself will say you would have gotten this without a doubt better than the guys that actually were on the game. It is a travel and it is a tough get at full speed. I have less problem with this travel missed than plays that I see missed that are much easier at the high school level. But I digress.

Peace

[just another ref]

I don't understand what any missed call at the high school level has to do with this. And the guys at the junior high level might miss worse calls than that. At the guy at the rec game who had never been on the court before was worse than any of them.

???

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't understand what any missed call at the high school level has to do with this. And the guys at the junior high level might miss worse calls than that. At the guy at the rec game who had never been on the court before was worse than any of them.

???

Because YOU act like games on ESPN are the only gyms where spin move travels are missed.

I just watched a HS game on local cable where an obvious travel on a spin move was missed. What's your point bringing this up every week?

[Johnny Ringo]

Does anyone think we may see a POE on plays like this from the NFHS in the near future?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Does anyone think we may see a POE on plays like this from the NFHS in the near future?

Traveling was a POE at least once in the not so distant past. It said something like, paraphrasing now, "The traveling rule has not changed, so call it, dammit!"

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because YOU act like games on ESPN are the only gyms where spin move travels are missed.

I just watched a HS game on local cable where an obvious travel on a spin move was missed. What's your point bringing this up every week?

My point is that there are too many of them for me to believe that they are all being missed. It is my idea that this is somehow done by design in the name of promoting more offense. Deliberately ignored? Maybe not, but the screws have really been tightened.

"Don't call a travel unless you can reenact a close up view of each foot in your mind."

I find the finished product disturbing. Are there just as many missed in high school games? Couldn't say, but I think not. And, hey, aren't the guys on tv supposed to be better then me?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

"Don't call a travel unless you can reenact a close up view of each foot in your mind."

I find the finished product disturbing. Are there just as many missed in high school games? Couldn't say, but I think not. And, hey, aren't the guys on tv supposed to be better then me?

I can and I could say there are just as many if not more. The HS officials I have seen usually call travels that are not there at all. In other words, they call travels on legal jump stops or call any funny movement they have not seen as travels (Euro step). I see it all the time during the summer camps and trainings we have and often have to inform the officials in question what the rule that takes place in their play or situation. At least at the college level I rarely see travels called that completely were not there, but that does not mean they do not call phantom travels either, they just tend to pass on things they do not see clearly IMO.

And no the guys on TV are not necessarily better than anyone. They just got a break or tried to work that level where you and others have not. I will say in general college officials are better from their training and evaluation process, where HS officials work their game and unless they make an effort rarely see tape of their games. I just know when I have seen myself on tape, I see missed plays and certainly travels we as a crew did not see or missed all together.

Peace