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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:53pm
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What it is is a travel, the kind that "never gets called at this level."
What video are you watching?
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:03pm
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What video are you watching?
I see a player holding the ball in two hands with his left foot on the floor. He steps with the right foot, then lifts the left foot and returns it to the floor.

What did you see?
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:04pm
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What video are you watching?
The dribbler does lift his pivot foot a fraction before releasing the ball to start he dribble.
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:06pm
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Just looked at it again and I agree, his left foot is pivot foot. It is lifted and then returned to the floor. I didn't even look at that part of the play the first time I watched the video because I was focused on the contact and location of the whistle.
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:07pm
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If the T is going to call anything on this play, this travel is what he should be getting. This has been a big emphasis in John Adams videos the last few seasons with the T coming in and helping out on this type of travel violation.
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:09pm
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Bob I think the travel JAR is referring to is that the player spins with his left foot as the pivot foot and right foot off the floor. Steps onto his right foot and lifts his left foot, and then places his left foot back on the floor. The spin move was illegal, not the move when he starts his dribble.
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:21pm
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Bob I think the travel JAR is referring to is that the player spins with his left foot as the pivot foot and right foot off the floor. Steps onto his right foot and lifts his left foot, and then places his left foot back on the floor. The spin move was illegal, not the move when he starts his dribble.
Sure -- but he clarified while I was posting.

The player travelled twice, cleared out and then is fouled.
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:27pm
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that is DEFINITELY a shooting foul on the defender (he NEVER got the ball during the shot attempt - only wrist and arm)......

the offensive post player traveled just prior to displacing the defender prior to his shot attempt (imho, the "first" travel that others have mentioned is one you really have to "split hairs" on to call - i'm not gonna call that one).
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 04:21pm
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What it is is a travel, the kind that "never gets called at this level."
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What video are you watching?
Ok, watched it again. Most definitely a travel on the spin move. And "this level" puts that travel on its video every year.

That travel gets called at "this level" more than it does at the HS level.
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:31pm
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Ok, watched it again. Most definitely a travel on the spin move. And "this level" puts that travel on its video every year.

That travel gets called at "this level" more than it does at the HS level.
Absolutely true.

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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 07:20pm
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That travel gets called at "this level" more than it does at the HS level.
I can't argue that point and neither can you, but what I can argue is that travel gets missed/ignored at this level over and over. What explanation is there for not calling this one? It was obvious to me from every angle, even the first angle where you can't even see the guy's feet.
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 07:30pm
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Slight contact on the wrist. Marginal at best. Should have no called it. I don't think this has anything to do with the new emphasis at all. This is just a miss, like every other year where we aren't perfect.

In either case, whether you judge marginal or not, I liked the cadence.

Definitely a travel.

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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 07:50pm
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Although this play is hardly a prime example of it, I hate that offensive players constantly get foul calls after going into the defender's vertical space.

It's definitely not enough that I'd call an offensive foul, but there's no way I'd call a foul on the defense. The fact it comes from the trail official, who probably shouldn't be looking for that type of call, is sad.
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 08:01pm
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I can't argue that point and neither can you, but what I can argue is that travel gets missed/ignored at this level over and over. What explanation is there for not calling this one? It was obvious to me from every angle, even the first angle where you can't even see the guy's feet.
What's your explanation when you miss a call?
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Old Wed Nov 13, 2013, 09:04pm
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Shouldn't the L be in close-down so he is receiving the play and has the slot angle?
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