Intentional Foul by the Shooter

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If I recall that play was not called a foul at all until the review. We cannot go back and review plays like they can at the NCAA level. There are many examples of calls being made without a whistle after a review for all kinds of plays. And we are not talking about an intentional foul of other players, but with a shooter. That is not the same as what is being talked about with a rebounder or on a screen.

Peace

I understand all that. I was just pointing out that before seeing this play, most people wouldn't have imagined an airborne rebounder lining up an opponent and kicking him on purpose either. Now that it has happened, I can see the potential of some jackass doing the same thing while shooting. I wasn't referring to how you handle or call the play in anyway, just the odds of it actually happening.

[johnny d]

Also, if I am not mistaken, there was a play in a college game last season where a 3-point shooter, after releasing the ball and while still in the air, grabbed his defender and threw him down. The shooter was called for a foul. It wasn't deemed an intentional foul, but it could have because it was a non-basketball play. I am thinking this happened in a Marquette or Georgetown game and was perhaps reviewed on this site.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Also, if I am not mistaken, there was a play in a college game last season where a 3-point shooter, after releasing the ball and while still in the air, grabbed his defender and threw him down. The shooter was called for a foul. It wasn't deemed an intentional foul, but it could have because it was a non-basketball play. I am thinking this happened in a Marquette or Georgetown game and was perhaps reviewed on this site.

College does not have intentional fouls anymore, so we do not have to worry about that part. And intentional fouls at the HS level (and when college had them) they were not based on intent.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

College does not have intentional fouls anymore, so we do not have to worry about that part. And intentional fouls at the HS level (and when college had them) they were not based on intent.

Peace

Apples and apples. They only changed the name for clarity. The underlying fouls have largely remained the same.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Apples and apples. They only changed the name for clarity. The underlying fouls have largely remained the same.

Actually they did change or add some wording.

And unless I misunderstood, this was a question that did not include NCAA. NCAA put in rules for elbow contact that the NF has not explicitly stated were to be called more then a common foul. And even then the NCAA backed off of their explicit language that would make all elbow contact a FF1 as it was previously.

I have no problem if people want to learn the definitions. My point was it is unlikely. We can always play the "what if" game in any rule. It is just not likely to be something that someone would call unless they go looking to make that call.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Apples and apples. They only changed the name for clarity. The underlying fouls have largely remained the same.

Hmm. It also wouldn't matter at the NCAA level, since any foul committed by a player after he shoots isn't a PC foul anyway.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

Hmm. It also wouldn't matter at the NCAA level, since any foul committed by a player after he shoots isn't a PC foul anyway.

You are, of course, correct.

But that difference wasn't related to the change from Int. to FF1. It existed before.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Also, if I am not mistaken, there was a play in a college game last season where a 3-point shooter, after releasing the ball and while still in the air, grabbed his defender and threw him down. The shooter was called for a foul. It wasn't deemed an intentional foul, but it could have because it was a non-basketball play. I am thinking this happened in a Marquette or Georgetown game and was perhaps reviewed on this site.

This would be the play you're talking about (I posted it last season):

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

This would be the play you're talking about (I posted it last season):

Yes, that is the play. The contact by the shooter isn't as severe as I thought I remembered, but even with early onset dementia, I still got the teams right.

[JRutledge]

And I do not consider any of that action as an "intentional foul" as I stated earlier. All I am saying is I do not imagine a shooter committing and Intentional foul. If people want to get into all the "what ifs" that is fine, I just think it is a practice in futility most of the time. I think it is better to stick with real world situations, rather then things that are not likely to be called or seen.

Peace

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And I do not consider any of that action as an "intentional foul" as I stated earlier. All I am saying is I do not imagine a shooter committing and Intentional foul. If people want to get into all the "what ifs" that is fine, I just think it is a practice in futility most of the time. I think it is better to stick with real world situations, rather then things that are not likely to be called or seen.

Peace

SniperBBB has a real world situation. Shooter "lines his defender up in his sight", gathers the ball, lowers his shoulder and runs over the defender. I don't know if this is likely but I have seen it many times.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

SniperBBB has a real world situation. Shooter "lines his defender up in his sight", gathers the ball, lowers his shoulder and runs over the defender. I don't know if this is likely but I have seen it many times.

And how many times have you called this an intentional or flagrant foul?

Peace

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Shooter "lines his defender up in his sight", gathers the ball, lowers his shoulder and runs over the defender. I don't know if this is likely but I have seen it many times.

This could be intentional, but it just sounds like a really-easy-to-call PC foul.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not imagine a shooter committing and intentional foul.

How about a "stiff arm" to the face, like in football?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

How about a "stiff arm" to the face, like in football?

Someone could die in the locker room and we would have to penalize the team for not being on the court and ready to play too, but I have never heard anyone suggest that should be the case and T up a team for such action.

And yes that was a serious question for a football class a few years ago.

Peace